Smoking in public places

   / Smoking in public places #51  
I guess those that think it should be left up to the individual business owners would also agree that the business owner should be able to decide if they want to follow the health codes, permit shoeless people into the restaurant or nude people for that matter. If people don't like it they just shouldn't patronize that establishment.............../w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / Smoking in public places #52  
First off, I am a non smoker, but I am a dipper. Skoal etc. I don't do it around anyone that I think would be bothered by it. I can usually tolerate cigarette smoke so I don't have a problem going to a restaurant or anywhere else that allows smoking. I do have a question that is something of a tangent off of this discussion. Cigarette butts. Are they not considered trash? I know that not all smokers do this but! I have people come to look at tractors at my place and sometimes folks will finish a cigarette and throw the butt down in my yard! If I took a gum wrapper in their yard I would catch HE!!. So what gives? Are butts considered non trash?
 
   / Smoking in public places #53  
Off the subject, but...

We have paternity leave here. The family gets a year (total) off work - you can split it with your spouse however you want - 6 months each, 3 and 9, whatever.
 
   / Smoking in public places #54  
Re: stirring the pot some more

ANGELS CAMP, Calif. — An animal rights group has declared the famed Calaveras County Jumping Frog Jubilee and similar contests around the country cruel and inhumane, saying frogs should not be taken from their native habitat for human entertainment.
 
   / Smoking in public places #55  
<font color=blue>I guess those that think it should be left up to the individual business owners would also
agree that the business owner should be able to decide if they want to follow the health
codes, permit shoeless people into the restaurant or nude people for that matter. If people
don't like it they just shouldn't patronize that establishment............... </font color=blue>

Well, yeah, except for the health code part. I'll bet the health codes in some areas would already prohibit serving shoe-less or nude patrons, though I don't think they should. It is a reasonable function of government to enforce health codes for establishments which sell foods, just as it is reasonable for governments to enforce speed limits and such. The question is, should health codes be extended to include such health risks as smoking? I don't think so, but I can see why some folks do. If I owned a restaurant, I'd probably prohibit smoking in it. I'd just prefer that it be my decision. I <font color=blue>do</font color=blue> think that as the owner I should have the right to prohibit smoking in my establishment. No one smokes in my house. At restaurants, I generally haven't had problems when I am in a non-smoking area. If I'm in a hurry, I'll sit in a smoking section, if that is what is available, and I don't then complain about the smoke. However, I don't enjoy the experience, and I would avoid returning to any restaurant where I could not eat in a smoke-free environment. Fortunately, the restaurants in my area that I frequent don't have this problem.

Chuck
 
   / Smoking in public places #56  
Brent, I'm with you on the butts! I would like to see a 5 cent deposit on each one, just like the pop cans and bottles! that would stop them from littering!
 
   / Smoking in public places #57  
yep .... they publicize it very well and explain exactly what the policy means and what enforcement means and that you lose all your money.
If you don't agree with the policy, don't sign, don't pay, don't sail .... it's your right!
 
   / Smoking in public places #58  
As from Foxnews.com

http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60371,00.html


NEW YORK — A New York legislator, miffed at the constant shrilling of cell phones during his visits to Broadway theaters, intends to do something about it.


His solution? Making bad manners illegal.

Councilman Phil Reed (D), said he'll introduce a bill tomorrow that will force people to turn off their phones inside performance spaces including movie theaters, libraries, galleries, concert halls and recital venues.

"It happens all the time," Reed said at City Hall in Manhattan. "This then gives the theater owner the authority to tell people, 'You are violating the law, you have to leave.'

Reed said it was one thing to turn off a ringing phone, but some theater patrons just go ahead and have frivolous conversations without regard for others in the audience or onstage.

"I think people are selfish. The phone conversations are so stupid. I would be embarrassed to have anybody listen to these inane conversations," Reed said.

"[The bill] protects the people who are talking, so they don't look so stupid," Reed said.

Fines have not yet been worked out, and the law would not apply to large outdoor arenas like Yankee and Shea stadiums.

Council staff cited reports of movie star Laurence Fishburne's profanity-laced admonition of a patron whose phone went off during his performance in The Lion in Winter and a similar incident involving Kevin Spacey during his turn in The Iceman Cometh.

Lee Silver, a spokesman for the Shubert Organization, which operates 17 Broadway theaters, said such incidents are rare.

"There is a voice from behind the stage that reminds people to please turn their phones off just before the curtain goes up," Silver said.

"We have never had a problem," he said.

Silver said similar announcements are made in most Broadway theaters.

But Reed, responding to criticism that he's trying to legislate courtesy, said, "I think what we're doing as a legislative body is responding to what people are saying is a quality-of-life issue.

"We have not heard [anyone] demand their right to violate anybody else's quality of life."
 
   / Smoking in public places #59  
Scott .... why would you think you should have the right to decide anything about your business? I mean, it's not like you even have the right to decide who you will serve. Try putting up a sign saying "handicapped not welcome" or "men only" or "WASPS welcome" and see how much right you have to decide anything about YOUR business.
When it comes to governments, the ONLY right you have, apparently, is to pay taxes. And they've decided it's not only a RIGHT, but an OBLIGATION ... because we have to pay for .... uhmm ... well .... governing. After all, someone has to make the rules and, well, heck, they'll be happy to do that for us ....
 
   / Smoking in public places #60  
There was a big movenent in Canada (well, Eastern Canada) a few years ago, Richard, to install signal blockers in restaurants, theatres and the like .... just because of the epidemic of bad manners (i.e. cell phone abuse). (the technology does exist and it installed in som eplaces)
Of course, the business owners were the most vocal opponents as they were worried about losing business ... after all, EVERYBODY seems to have a cell phone.

pete
 

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