Snake identification

   / Snake identification #11  
Actually, the hognose snake is venomous, just not dangerously so. Here's an excerpt from a web page about them.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Hognose snakes are opisthoglyphous (having fangs at the back of the mouth) and they use this feature to deflate toads which may puff themselves up with air to unswallowable proportions. I mentioned previously these snakes were nonvenomous, but there is some evidence that they may be mildly venomous (LeClere, 1996). Although there have been many cases of Heterodon envenomation, its toxicity is controversial. McAlister (1963) took extract from the salivary glands of H. platyrhinos and injected white mice, spring peepers, Pseudacris crucifer, Fowlers toads, Bufo woodhousei fowleri, and chorus frogs, Pseudacris triseriata, in the thighs. The mice were unaffected. Fifteen of the seventeen amphibians died within two days. Subcutaneous hemorrhage, edema, and inflammation led McAlister to conclude that the venom is hemotoxic. Other authors have concurred that this genera of snakes is venomous; others discount it. Anderson tried several times to induce a H. platyrhinos to envenomate him. He even made an extract and administered it to himself. It produced nothing more than slight burning. )</font>

Frogs and toads are the hognose snake's favorite meal. I find them fairly frequently around my dad's pond which has a healthy frog/toad population.
 
   / Snake identification #12  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Here is one way to identify a venemous snake from one that is not - the eyes. All venomous snakes have slit pupils - like a cat. All non-venomous snakes have round pupils like ours. Of course you have to get pretty close to tell. )</font>

Also the single row of scales behind the **** scale which is only true on pit vipers...this also requires close inspection /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
   / Snake identification #13  
[quoteAlso the single row of scales behind the **** scale which is only true on pit vipers...this also requires close inspection /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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I don't think I'll be trying that anytime soon, to think inspecting anythings analll scale would make it slightly upset, then again I would get upset as well /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

mark M
 
   / Snake identification #14  
This one ate 18 3-day-old guineas last night. I'm guessing rat snake but I'm no snake expert. It was 5'4" long and about as big around as my wrist. Anyone know what it was? His post-meal girth prevented his escape through a small crack under the coop door. I was wearing boxer shorts, a wife beater, and cowboy boots when I opened the coop this morning and found him. Nearly messed my shorts. I know it was not venomous and could have been a beneficial critter but it startled me and it ate $126 worth of guineas. Good riddance.
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   / Snake identification #15  
I thought for sure I was looking at a cobra!!!! I jumped back, and started yelling for my wife to get the shotgun! Of course, I stop and think... Cobras are not native to Florida.
Joe

Joe, don't be so quick to disregard a snake as not being a cobra just because you're in Florida. They can live just fine there and it's a nightmare that fish and game people have all the time that too many owners will release them into the wild where they start breeding on their own, much the way the Burmese pythons have.
 
   / Snake identification #16  
Ya, the first poster has a Hognose. During a college field trip, I was with a gal on a biology class field trip and found one. Knowing they won't bite, I picked the snake up being macho ... and the sucker BIT ME! Mr. macho dropped it like a hot potato.

According to Wikipedia and what I had learned from field books prior to the class: "Hognose snakes (Heterodon) are rear-fanged and technically not venomous, but the saliva they excrete is considered toxic to prey but not considered to be dangerous to humans and they will never bite in defense (as the only way to get bitten by a hognose snake is to smell like their prey).[1] There has been some debate whether or not hognose are venomous, but there is evidence that their saliva has some toxicity to smaller prey items, such as toads and frogs."

The bite didn't hurt that much, but note to self, don't believe everything you read regarding critters. (Never bite, sure)
 
   / Snake identification #17  
This one ate 18 3-day-old guineas last night. I'm guessing rat snake but I'm no snake expert. It was 5'4" long and about as big around as my wrist. Anyone know what it was? His post-meal girth prevented his escape through a small crack under the coop door. I was wearing boxer shorts, a wife beater, and cowboy boots when I opened the coop this morning and found him. Nearly messed my shorts. I know it was not venomous and could have been a beneficial critter but it startled me and it ate $126 worth of guineas. Good riddance.
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Great Plains Rat Snake.
Sorry to hear about your birds, but....
You may now have a rodent problem. Those problems can be more difficult to solve.


Pantherophis emoryi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
   / Snake identification #18  
Hmmm, I learned something new today. Actually two things. First - I had no clue that hognose snakes were venomous (mildly). When verifying what I was reading here - I also learned that GARTER snakes are also venomous (again - mildly). They have no delivery method (no fangs), but apparently the venom is deposit into the wound as the snake chews.

Not much on handling snakes, but as a kid we used to get a kick out of taking garter snakes to school and turning them loose in school. That was always good for a laugh or two :chimpanzee:
 

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