So much for a Nissan Leaf!

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[SirReal63]

Loren, I really hate to interject on this and I try to stay away from discussing my own viewpoints, but what does the price of fuel have to do with the cost to Society? What does the cost of fast food, cigarettes, alcohol, etc. have to do the cost to Society? Can you imagine having to pay $20 for a crappy McDonalds hamburger because "some" people eat too much junk, fail to exercise and are genetically prone to poor health. The "full cost of fuel" should follow the same formula as the cost of any other manufactured item. Items do not "impose costs on Society" but rather Society pays the cost for the purchase and consumption of items and any issues arising from them. The statement that "...the price of gasoline in the U.S. covers the cost of producing and distribution gasoline but it doesn't reflect the costs that gasoline consumption imposes on society in the form of traffic, congestion, pollution and global warming." is a perfect example of what is wrong in the world, not what is right.

I am sorry, I prefer a lighter mood on message forums, but that statement is a load of crapola. If that same philosophy were carried out to every item made in the world, there would soon be no items made in the world and economic collapse would follow. People have to at least try to govern themselves, educate themselves and make rational decisions by themselves. When we do not, then Society, as we know it, collapses and the only ones making decisions are the ones we elect to office, but we will all be too stupid to make wise decisions on whom we do elect. It sort of leads into why we are where we are today.

End of rant, sorry if I upset anyone, but at some point reality needs to creep back into our lives and politics need to go away.

 

[SirReal63]

Loren, I am curious...since you believe in this, "The IMF says that price of gasoline in the U.S. covers the cost of producing and distribution gasoline but it doesn't reflect the costs that gasoline consumption imposes on society in the form of traffic, congestion, pollution and global warming." may I ask where you are sending in the difference in what you actually pay for gas and the perceived amount your article says you should be paying?

 

[dave1949]

How many of you would like fuel to cost $10 to $15 per gallon?..Show of hands, how many would like gasoline to cost a heck of a lot less than it does now?.. My hand is up for the second one. I would like cheap plentiful fuel to kickstart this Obama economy, put people back to work, and lower the price of every thing that is transported from A to B. Our old buddy above would like nothing better than for fuel to be expensive to get us our of our "gas guzzlerss" and taking the bus, like good little boys and girls...he drools at the mouth thinking "if only we could make gasoline cost the true cost, then we would all see the clear way forward"..
"what a wonderful world it would be".. sarcasm font off. Why not skip all the cut and paste, and tell us your true political goals. I have shown you mine, now show us yours.

Foreign firms queue up to join Shenzhen carbon market | Reuters

China realizes it has to get its carbon emissions under control. How do you explain that? I'd really, really like to hear your answer.

You are the one politicizing a question of science while blaming others for having some political goal. I don't have a political goal and I doubt that Loren does either. Al Gore, Obama, R's, D's, etc. cannot alter the chemistry of carbon which is at the root of global warming via carbon fuels.

You might be surprised at the outcome if the R's control congress. Or maybe not. In the long run it doesn't matter because the majority party in congress cannot change the chemistry of carbon either. That truth will out no matter how many games politicians play. The longer that truth is denied, the more it will cost you and your descendants.

 

[houstonscott]

Foreign firms queue up to join Shenzhen carbon market | Reuters China realizes it has to get its carbon emissions under control. How do you explain that? I'd really, really like to hear your answer. You are the one politicizing a question of science while blaming others for having some political goal. I don't have a political goal and I doubt that Loren does either. Al Gore, Obama, R's, D's, etc. cannot alter the chemistry of carbon which is at the root of global warming via carbon fuels. You might be surprised at the outcome if the R's control congress. Or maybe not. In the long run it doesn't matter because the majority party in congress cannot change the chemistry of carbon either. That truth will out no matter how many games politicians play. The longer that truth is denied, the more it will cost you and your descendants.

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