Solar power & Wind Power for residental use

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   / Solar power & Wind Power for residental use #241  
Buickanddeere, your rantings on here are absolutely absurd. The only pesky realities surrounding grid tied solar are people like you and the energy industry and their lobbying against solar which interferes in places like Florida as the article shared by NY_Yankees_Fan points out. It is you who is missing the point. Government subsidies cloud the cost of both alternative and traditional energy from us the consumers and that makes decisions a little harder to make. In some places though solar is growing strong because of the primary thing that you seem to be simply ignoring, at the end of the day it is one of few options that will provide free energy. No high efficiency coal plant, gas furnace, geothermal heat pump, etc will ever be free energy. This is an incredible reality of the laws of physics that you are so fond of talking about. And if people like you would stop nay-saying eventually this cool technology might actually be utilized to a level that really makes a difference in this country.


The glorious goals of free clean anything tend to obscure the logistics of the issue.
Tell us how much battery storage is required to operate the US overnight . The size, the cost as well. There is no more pumped storage as the enviromentalists won't allow it. There is not enough underground air tight vessels to store compressed air. Bags of air under water are subject to water currents corrosion of equipment .
We keep seeing non technical people promise new batteries, new wind turbines and new solar panels just around the corner. Billions of research $$$ says otherwise. There is a set limit in the energy storage of a pound of lead, NiMh , sodium or lithium. Expecting more is the same as researching some way to pour five gallon of gasoline into a one gallon tank without spilling .
The laws of physics can not be bullied by peer pressure as human laws and behaviour can be.
 
   / Solar power & Wind Power for residental use #242  
Can some one tell me the cost to store radioactive material for 4.5billion years? Probably can just ignore that cost. No government is likely to last that long, so we can ignore it. We keep putting government money into how to handle the storage, transporation, and processing of the material. Billions of research $$$ hasn't come up with the answer. Sorry, just the laws of physics getting in the way here.
 
   / Solar power & Wind Power for residental use #243  
Electrical system here used to pay for it's self.

Historically always?

How did the power company come to "own" the pole sites, substation plots? All individually bought at fair market value? Absolutely no government involvement as to favorable rules?

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   / Solar power & Wind Power for residental use #244  
Historically always?

How did the power company come to "own" the pole sites, substation plots? All individually bought at fair market value? Absolutely no government involvement as to favorable rules?

I cannot speak for other states, but here in my part of rural Texas, the CoOp purchased the substation plots when they were not granted by landowners, purchased easements when they were not freely given by the landowners (who typically give the easements for electricity, because there are benefits for everyone to have electricity) and things worked smoothly. Whatever subsidies they were given helped defray the cost of lines, poles and other infrastructure. You have to ask yourself is it better to have a nationwide electrification grid or is it better to not? If it is better to have a nationwide grid, with reasonable access to it for the masses, what is it going to take? Is it worth the price? Of course it is.
 
   / Solar power & Wind Power for residental use #245  
Can some one tell me the cost to store radioactive material for 4.5billion years? Probably can just ignore that cost. No government is likely to last that long, so we can ignore it. We keep putting government money into how to handle the storage, transporation, and processing of the material. Billions of research $$$ hasn't come up with the answer. Sorry, just the laws of physics getting in the way here.[/QUOTe

Then you had better store everything else radioactive such as bananas, smoke detectors , old dentures, your Grandma's favourite cookware and Coleman lantern mantles for 4.5 billion years. Used Candu fuel after 250 years has dropped to only 5 rem per hour which is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The people with the least amount of education and training are also the same persons most panicked about radiation.
Used fuel is too valuable to dispose of. It's new fuel for molton salt and PHWR reactors.
The bulk of the "radioactive" waste from power plants is disposable overalls and floor mops. In a couple of decades garbage that was " radioactive" has decayed down to less than a banana.
For those worried about medium level waste such as ion exchange column resin. Imagine a rock formation so solid that it takes 1 million years for water to travel through it 1 meter in distance.
How pray tell is anything radioactive going to travel through 680 meters of this rock?
So you know how radioactive a granite countertop is? Or the dirt along the side of the road in various areas of the world? The locals are exposed to 5-7 rem a year and have a lower cancer rate than the rest of the world.
Too many people have been scared by " radiation" by environmental groups. How do you think enviromental groups make a living, jet set around the world, live in hotels, dine out and drive a corporate vehicle ? They whip up fear and scare money out of middle class, middle aged women . By saying it's all about your grandchildren. It's a living for these enviromentalists . Do you think they want to give that up?
 
   / Solar power & Wind Power for residental use #247  
I cannot speak for other states, but here in my part of rural Texas, the CoOp purchased the substation plots when they were not granted by landowners, purchased easements when they were not freely given by the landowners (who typically give the easements for electricity, because there are benefits for everyone to have electricity) and things worked smoothly. Whatever subsidies they were given helped defray the cost of lines, poles and other infrastructure. You have to ask yourself is it better to have a nationwide electrification grid or is it better to not? If it is better to have a nationwide grid, with reasonable access to it for the masses, what is it going to take? Is it worth the price? Of course it is.

I don't have a problem with that. :)

My issue:
"Where would wind, solar and NG turbines be without the rate payer and tax payer subsidies ?" Should be rephrased to include all systems, not find fault with attempts to better the overall system.

A shame the thread has been hijacked from the OP's intent and become a soapbox for someone's personal rantings.

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   / Solar power & Wind Power for residental use #248  
I said eventually free. Solar and other renewables eventually recover their initial investment and maintenance costs and provide free power without feeding them gas or coal, etc. I'm also not talking about the country or world being entirely solar. I'm talking about Florida producing a bunch if it's peak air conditioning load using the sun instead of solar there being made unattractive.
 
   / Solar power & Wind Power for residental use #249  
Historically always?

How did the power company come to "own" the pole sites, substation plots? All individually bought at fair market value? Absolutely no government involvement as to favorable rules?

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It did in Ontario
 
   / Solar power & Wind Power for residental use #250  
I said eventually free. Solar and other renewables eventually recover their initial investment and maintenance costs and provide free power without feeding them gas or coal, etc. I'm also not talking about the country or world being entirely solar. I'm talking about Florida producing a bunch if it's peak air conditioning load using the sun instead of solar there being made unattractive.

Who pays for the fossil units to operate on spinning reserve to backup wind and solar? The capital and operating costs are still ongoing but no income is being generated . Now somebody has to pay to backup the free power? Who is somebody?
What is the source of power outside of the 6-8hrs of mid day production ?
 
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