Solar-powered clothes dryers disallowed by HOA's

Steve C · Nov 20, 2009

riptides said:
Pretty soon we will be down at the creek with rocks to start the cycle anew.

unfortunately you are correct. since our manufacturing secter is going out of business and all those people who work there are going to be joining me on the unemployment lines, we can't afford to pay for all the "carbon credits" that the fat cats have forced on us in the name of global harmony. We will all be rubbing elbows down at the creek.

Electricity will be for the elite.

Unlike societies that have been bombed back to the 19th century by having their infastructure destroyed, our politicians are doing it for us they are selling it on the open market at our expense.

The chinese are world leaders in solar and wind power and they are selling their carbon credits to us! We are paying for their power system so they can build more solar and wind plants and manufacture goods cheaper than we can while saddling our manufacturing plants with increased taxes and utility rates. W.T.F.

I don't give a rats A** about the economy in other countrys. I want my grand children to be able to earn a living here.

Maybe I am just to stupid to understand how hammering us with carbon credit taxes is going to help our country and the working class in the long run.

I think we would be better served having people imployed fixing the results of global warming (rebulding things torn up by storms) rather than taxing the chit out of us to slow it down. (and nobody know yet whether it is possible)

oh wow, I don't know why I said that!

NuBota · Nov 20, 2009

I sometimes think the whole green thing is primarily a "fashion" trend

A senator is all for wind power till it is put in the bay in front of his waterfront home causing an eyesore that he protests.

I read a study where that said because of the energy expend to create, maintain and dispose of a very popular hybrid car, you would have to drive it for thrity years to realize energy savings

And now clotheslines - got to just love the double standards....

buckeyefarmer · Nov 20, 2009

Steve C said:
unfortunately you are correct. since our manufacturing secter is going out of business and all those people who work there are going to be joining me on the unemployment lines, we can't afford to pay for all the "carbon credits" that the fat cats have forced on us in the name of global harmony. We will all be rubbing elbows down at the creek. Electricity will be for the elite.

Sorry, but you won't be able to even touch the water in the creek, the environmentalists have that off limits. And don't even think about cutting a tree to heat your house, they are now sacred shrines of the treehuggers. People in another forum are discussing owning mineral rights, here you don't even own the right to use what is growing and flowing on your property. It's a wonder we don't get taxed for the air we breath.

You would have thought after Enron, and the empty companies of the "dot com" era that we would be smart enough to know that invisible things like "carbon credits" will get us nowhere. You are absolutely right about Electricity, it is going to get very very expensive. A country without industry is doomed.

Steve C · Nov 21, 2009

buckeyefarmer said:
Sorry, but you won't be able to even touch the water in the creek, the environmentalists have that off limits. And don't even think about cutting a tree to heat your house, they are now sacred shrines of the treehuggers. People in another forum are discussing owning mineral rights, here you don't even own the right to use what is growing and flowing on your property. It's a wonder we don't get taxed for the air we breath.

You would have thought after Enron, and the empty companies of the "dot com" era that we would be smart enough to know that invisible things like "carbon credits" will get us nowhere. You are absolutely right about Electricity, it is going to get very very expensive. A country without industry is doomed.

In Michigan a couple of years ago we were facing a electrical shortage and several companies were planning on building new power plants here. The manufacturing sector has reduced its consumption so much in our state that we now have a surplus and those new power plants have been shelved.

dave1949 · Nov 21, 2009

buckeyefarmer said:
Sorry, but you won't be able to even touch the water in the creek, the environmentalists have that off limits. And don't even think about cutting a tree to heat your house, they are now sacred shrines of the treehuggers. People in another forum are discussing owning mineral rights, here you don't even own the right to use what is growing and flowing on your property. It's a wonder we don't get taxed for the air we breath.

You would have thought after Enron, and the empty companies of the "dot com" era that we would be smart enough to know that invisible things like "carbon credits" will get us nowhere. You are absolutely right about Electricity, it is going to get very very expensive. A country without industry is doomed.

I am glad we have escaped some of the environmental disasters to be found in China and parts of the former USSR. We have come a long way from the Cuyahoga river burning in Cleveland. Remember how the Chinese shut down the factories in Bejing to host the Olympics?

The oceans have become wastelands as it is. New England fishing boats are down to about 30 days of fishing per year now in the Georges Bank area. In colonial times, there seemed to be no end to the cod fish.

It is the excesses driven by greed combined with ignorance that have caused the 'green' backlash against practices which ruin the good earth. Using streams as sewers, clear cutting mountain sides, over fishing, pumping what ever happens to come out of a smokestack into the atomosphere - these are all idiotic actions. They are rightly condemned. They are all short term gain and to heck with tomorrow strategies.

When people and companies don't have the common sense to not do these things, of course regulators step in - and that's where the devil meets the details. Those regulations are the result of people voting certain ways, they are legitimate democratic processes.

Incidentally, we have three or four new wood pellet mills under construction here, trees will be harvested to feed these mills, but harvested in a way that preserves the forest and the wildlife and waterways - I fail to see a downside to that.
Dave.

Steve C · Nov 21, 2009

I am all for keeping a minimum impact on the environment, but I don't understand this carbon credit approach. It is a tax. Businesses do not pay taxes, they must pass this cost on to the consumers, making the energy we use artificially expensive. So we as consumers pay the tax and the power company becomes the tax collector, they then bundle up the money collected and send it to China to buy carbon credits. W.T.F.

Bedlam · Nov 21, 2009

What this is about is a clothesline, It has ) impact on the environment. Its a good thing all around. But some people don't like the looks .And I can understand this in some situations. BUT< to make a blanket law or regulation is just ridiculous.Whats good for one might not be for another.
So many times these people have blinders on and cant see that .
Much like where I live we have no cell tower, We are to high and mighty people here don't like the looks of them etc. Completely ignoring now that in the winter I drive along and come upon an accident, I don't have 911 access. Same thing. Blanket regulation.
Regulation to make it a law not to use cell as you drive. Most people will ignore.and continue on I See it in my neighboring state that has the law.
On and on the list goes, and doesn't somehow target the incompetent people

PILOON · Nov 21, 2009

Where I live, the powers to be decided that towers were unsightly and passed a law that bans any tower or structure that exceeds tree tops.

Said law was specifically aimed at wind power generators and high pitched roof tops.

All because a promoter wanted to build an observation tower to promote his project and cell phone companies wished to expand their coverage.
Not a single taxpayer registered to complain, and so the law was passed with 'unanimous approval'
Consequently we probably will never have hi-speed internet access and all the benifits that it brings.

dave1949 · Nov 21, 2009

Steve C said:
I am all for keeping a minimum impact on the environment, but I don't understand this carbon credit approach. It is a tax. Businesses do not pay taxes, they must pass this cost on to the consumers, making the energy we use artificially expensive. So we as consumers pay the tax and the power company becomes the tax collector, they then bundle up the money collected and send it to China to buy carbon credits. W.T.F.

Can't say I understand CC's either. They tried them in W. Europe and most say the way they did it wasn't effective. They basically passed out CC's to every carbon producer (like starting a Monopoly game) and went from there.

Supposedly, CC's are a free market tool to encourage the reduction of carbon emisions. I really don't like the ability to purchase carbon offsets, I think that is smoke and mirrors. Suppose Exxon came to me and offered $ to leave my trees standing? Nothing really changes except I get some $ and Exxon gets to pump more carbon.

The alternative would be to put flat caps on carbon emissions that could not be exceeded under any circumstance. That's a very rigid approach too.
Dave.