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[DEON]

From the before and after photos, looks like you rebuilt the whole loader frame and just used the bucket. Is that what you did? Looks good. I wouldnt know where to start to do that kind of work. After seeing your post, I thought I might rework my bucket attachement points to give me more breakout force like you did. By moving the attachment point higher on the bucket, that should add more leverage, right?

I used all of the existing loader but cut it about half way and shaped the side plates that the cylinders are attached to to make it look like it is now.
You can add distance between you bucket pins to add strength but you will loose some of your curl travel. I replaced the curl cylinder with the boom cylinder to keep my curl travel complete.

 

[DEON]

Have you measured or calculated the difference in cycle time. There is always a trade-off of power vs speed. I believe that by going from 1.75 to 2 inch cylinders you have increased cycle time by 25 percent and depending on the change in bucket pin distance the bucket will be slowed more.
Your work looks professional! Nice job.

Loren

Yes, I have slower cycle times but the KL130 was very fast. Much faster that most other loaders. I like the speed better now as it is less jerky and easier to do finer work. If I want to cut 1/2" off the top of my soil, the loader is now very solid and easy to set. Without the loose parts of the QA loader, plus the extra strength of the whole design, the bucket stays where its set. I need to take care of my float control because I will be needing it while pushing snow.

 

[DEON]

I have a good friend that wisely reminds me when I want to reinforce my boxblade so I won't trear it up when I hit the water main cutoff valve housing, that the weakest link is what is going to break. Since the boxbade is the easiest part to fix, I haven't reinforced it, for fear of breaking a part on the tractor. (everybody knows how expensive Green paint stuff is!)
Just keep that in mind as you use your reinforced loader. Just because it will do it, doesn't mean you need to let it do it.
David from jax

Your friend is wise. That is why I designed the loader mount to spread the load all the way back to the rear axle. My loader will still break or bend before the tractor breaks.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I know you said that you would, but please do let us know how the self leveling part goes. The rest looks great, and thanks for posting the side by side pics, sure makes it easier to see what you have done.

 

[Gittyup]

Very professional looking work, Deon. Both on the loader and on the cab. You have an awesome setup there.

 

[IslandTractor]

If the manufacturer designed the front axles to support a certain loader capacity, isn't there potentially excess stress being put on the axles with the new loader capabilities?

 

[dfkrug]

You can add distance between your bucket pins to add strength but you will loose some of your curl travel. I replaced the curl cylinder with the boom cylinder to keep my curl travel complete.

That's a good idea, going with longer stroke bkt cyls to restore your
curl angle. I did not do that when I increased my pin spacing from 5.5"
to 8.5" for my 4-in-1 and my fork frame.

As for cycle time, I agree these tractors have plenty of flow. Virtually
identical to the L3x40s at 8.3 GPM.

Looks great, DEON.

 

[HODAK]

When QA is mentioned in this thread - we are talking Quick Attach as far as the loader frame goes, correct? The bucket doesn't look like a QA. I may be interested in adding the new bucket with QA to my CK30 as long as it is not loose or sloppy. The original poster says the QA had some play in it. I don't notice that, (or it doesn't bother me), as far as the frame goes. How about some new CK owners with the new QA bucket? Is it snug? Thanks

 

[IslandTractor]

When QA is mentioned in this thread - we are talking Quick Attach as far as the loader frame goes, correct? The bucket doesn't look like a QA. I may be interested in adding the new bucket with QA to my CK30 as long as it is not loose or sloppy. The original poster says the QA had some play in it. I don't notice that, (or it doesn't bother me), as far as the frame goes. How about some new CK owners with the new QA bucket? Is it snug? Thanks

QA almost always refers to the bucket attachment at the front of the FEL, not the FEL frame at the tractor.

I don't know exactly what the others are reporting with regard to "loose or sloppy" but standard skidsteer QA adapters can certainly slide side to side with force. The retaining pins fit into slots, not round holes, so with sufficient lateral force they will slide a bit. Not usually an issue that affects safety or performance though and the slide is usually only a couple of inches. There cannot be any sliding if the top of the QA adapter fits snugly but often the FEL adapter is slightly narrower (or in the Kioti DK case about four or five inches narrower) than the bucket/implement mounted receiver plate....in that setting lateral force can cause "sloppy" movement occasionally.

 

[HODAK]

QA almost always refers to the bucket attachment at the front of the FEL, not the FEL frame at the tractor.

I don't know exactly what the others are reporting with regard to "loose or sloppy" but standard skidsteer QA adapters can certainly slide side to side with force. The retaining pins fit into slots, not round holes, so with sufficient lateral force they will slide a bit. Not usually an issue that affects safety or performance though and the slide is usually only a couple of inches. There cannot be any sliding if the top of the QA adapter fits snugly but often the FEL adapter is slightly narrower (or in the Kioti DK case about four or five inches narrower) than the bucket/implement mounted receiver plate....in that setting lateral force can cause "sloppy" movement occasionally.

Original poster says he wanted to eliminate sloppiness in the QA loader. I just wanted all to be clear that he is talking about the arms, not the bucket. I never heard of the arms or the loader itself refered to to as QA. Quick disconnect would be the appropriate term. The new bucket is bigger, heavier, etc, on the new CK30's as well as QA. This could be something I'm interested in so that my son can load more firewood in the bucket............