Source for toothbar teeth?

BobinIL · Oct 20, 2006

being the tightwad and uncurable do-it-yourselfer I would like to consider building my own loader toothbar. Does anyone know where I can get the teeth for one of these?

MrJimi · Oct 20, 2006

I'm with you! I can do it! I have read something like a ( A-23 ) is the one?? Not confirmed yet with links, I have to measure mine this weekend, Thickness wise.
Jim

GaryE · Oct 20, 2006

Try these guys:

Fabco Inc. - Castings - Fabrications - Forgings - Digging Teeth - Findlay, OH

MrJimi · Oct 20, 2006

GaryE said:
Try these guys:

Fabco Inc. - Castings - Fabrications - Forgings - Digging Teeth - Findlay, OH

Thanks, I'll give them a call Monday
Jim

shaley · Oct 22, 2006

This guy in Georga has series 23 cast teet for $5 ea. Fabco price is about $20 ea. Call, Will at Piedmont Tractor & Equipment 1-800-532-0000
Shiping is $10 total flat rate USPS Priority He only has about 15 teeth left as of 10/20
Oh, he also has split pins for $2.50 ea. most dealers are $3

BobinIL · Oct 22, 2006

I think I have found some teeth but now I see most of the tooth bars are welded to high carbon steel cutting edge material. Does anyone know where I can find this material???

shaley · Oct 23, 2006

Any steel supply or machine shop will have it. Give them the ANSI number such 1045. (last two digits are points of carbon) This raises a good question because as to what the bar part is really made of. High carbon steel can be heat treated and hardened but if it is welded it loses it's hardness makes for brittle weld joints. I thought the flat bar that the teeth shanks are welded to is well behind the bucket cutting edge so why high carbon.

MadReferee · Oct 23, 2006

BobinIL said:
I think I have found some teeth but now I see most of the tooth bars are welded to high carbon steel cutting edge material.

I don't believe that is the case. If it was then the cost of the toothbars would be alot more that what they currently are. Normal mild steel is commonly used for the bar that the teeth are welded onto.

BobinIL · Oct 23, 2006

Shaley, good point. I was concerned with standard steel giving and bending when you really pry on something with the teeth

HomeBrew2 · Oct 23, 2006

Not sure if I'm missing something or others are ... the teeth shown in the pic are supposed to be put onto shanks and the shanks welded to [mild] steel flat stock. The shanks are "V"'d to fit over the cutting edge and flat stock, thus taking all, but some rotational, load.

shaley · Oct 23, 2006

Homebrew is correct, the shanks are welded to the flat bar and slip over the cutting edge and take the force. the flat bar just takes some of the yaw force. You have to look close at the pic because everthing is painted black.

Here is a pic of the shanks. Grove "E" fits over the cutting edge. The flat bar sits in the bucket.

I have my teeth but need to get a set of shanks. I'm using series #23 cast on a 6ft bucket

donais · Oct 23, 2006

i dont know anything about this compan, just looking around and found it they look like they hade the teeth but i could not figure which ones to get Bucket & Toothbar Teeth jon

BobinIL · Oct 23, 2006

Here is the place I found for teeth. If you can use standard steel flat stock for the toothbar why do all of the places selling toothbars use the high carbon cutting edge???? Dirt Works Industrial Tooth Bar, Bucket Teeth, Assembled or Build Your Own Tooth Bar

MadReferee · Oct 23, 2006

donais said:
i dont know anything about this compan, just looking around and found it they look like they hade the teeth but i could not figure which ones to get Bucket & Toothbar Teeth jon

That company is Messicks. Neil Messick is a regular poster here. The generic Series 23 shanks are the most commonly used shanks.

HomeBrew2 · Oct 23, 2006

To add to Shaley's link above, here's a direct link to Fabco's catalog that has dimensions of the different shanks/"adapters". (1.7MB pdf)

shaley · Oct 23, 2006

Bob, to answer your question - I don't know. Hardened and High carbon and High carbon Hardened are three different things. You can harden carbon steel by case hardening which is a surface treatment that leaves a hard surface and a tough core. High carbon steel is somewhat harder than mild steel in condtion "A" and has enough carbon to be heat treated throughout but it will be more brittle to shock loads.
"Dirtworks" states "Hardened edge" in their ad. You might call and ask them how they do it or what material they use. They are some steels that are prehardened and can be welded.
My thinking was since the theeth do the cutting and then the bucket edge does the peeling and lastly it is pushed over the flat bar I would want the best cast (not fabed) teeth I could afford. The cast teeth are much harder than the fabricated. If the bar is a 5 ft of less I guess the fabed theeth would hold up OK.

HomeBrew2 · Oct 23, 2006

Another thing to add to the mix is whether "hardened" is actually "abrasion resistant", like AR400 steel and others ...

shaley · Oct 23, 2006

I guess what Bob and I are both concerned with is; what should the flat bar material be. I would hate to put all tht effort into a toothbar and have it wear out in a year. If there is someone here who has built one and can comment on how it is holding up I would like to hear form them.