Spark Plug Specs for PT 425 w/ Robin EH72

   / Spark Plug Specs for PT 425 w/ Robin EH72 #21  
10 hours here... backfired the first day I drove it after getting it good and warmed up. Tried shutting down at medium idle today no backfire as of yet guess time will tell /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
   / Spark Plug Specs for PT 425 w/ Robin EH72 #22  
Jack...I have 20 hours on mine. I've had had the "bang" problems since day one but have not had any run on.
 
   / Spark Plug Specs for PT 425 w/ Robin EH72 #23  
JackRobin,

195 hours on my machine. The 22 hp robin has either run-on or back fired from day one. This includes going from the originally supplied spark plugs to the new ones to help the cold start problem. I have shut it down from all speeds, higher throttle results in run-on, lower idle results in backfire. Seems to be worse in hot weather and engine hot. Rarely occurrs in dead of winter when temps are below 20F.
 
   / Spark Plug Specs for PT 425 w/ Robin EH72 #24  
Jack,

150 hours. Has backfired from the beginning, even after cleaning the carb and solenoid for an unrelated problem.

Dave
 
   / Spark Plug Specs for PT 425 w/ Robin EH72
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#25  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't really see where that would make any difference during the start revolutions, whether the weather was warm or cold. Am I misunderstanding something here )</font>

Phil, You'r right on. Heat range of a plug is all about thermal conductivity. Poor conductivity means plug stays hot and can't dissipate heat to cylinder head = "hot heat range plug" The converse is true, also. On cold weather starts, when the fuel is atomized into a cold cylinder, the vapors want to re-condense into droplets because of the cold cylinder ambient. Even on the first few cranks with a "hot" plug, the tip of the plug gets hot enough to keep the fuel in vapor form in the micro-environment around the plug tip. Once that fuel is ignited, the wave of flame propagates to ignite the remaining fuel in the cylinder. Today's ignitions/plugs see voltages on the order of 10,000 - 30,000 Volts. With that amount of juice, it only takes a couple of cranks to heat up a "hot" plug, and more cranks to heat up a "cold" plug. Hence, the observation of more cranking needed to start an engine in winter if it is fitted with cold plugs. The other caveat is to keep the battery fully charged especially in winter. That way you can get the full measure of cold cranking amps into the plug tip.

Jack-- First off, thanks so much for taking the interest in our problem and working with us to help to solve it. I'm sure all of us appreciate your efforts. Like all my fellow PTers reporting here, mine has had the problem since day one, and now has nearly 60 hrs, and is still doing it. I will find a pair of the hotter plugs hopefully this weekend and give them a try.
 
   / Spark Plug Specs for PT 425 w/ Robin EH72 #26  
I was thinking about this whole situation last night at home. It's weird that this problem occurs for us only on a Power Trac application, I didn't hear any other complaints from the field on this issue on this model at all.

In my personal opinion and speaking completely off the record, it could be related to the muffler system that PT is providing on this unit. This muffler could cause some kind of restriction when shutting off the engine? Please do not quote me on this, as this is my personal feeling and I could be wrong on this. If anyone at Power Trac is reading this, please do not think I'm trying to cause any kind of a conflict here, just trying to reveal my thoughts on here.
I will talk with the engineering today regarding my thought, let's see what comes out of it.

Regard,

Jack
 
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#27  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I will find a pair of the hotter plugs hopefully this weekend and give them a try. )</font>

Oops! Sorry for the mis-type there. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I meant to say that I will find a pair of the COLDER plugs....
 
   / Spark Plug Specs for PT 425 w/ Robin EH72 #28  
I always thought that a hot plug would help prevent fouling and prevent deposit build up. A cold plug is designed to transfer heat away from the plug. Here is an article I found you might find interesting.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/sparkplugs.html

Read step 3
 
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#29  
J_J,
You are exactly right as per your link. A "hot" plug prevents fouling because its electrode tip stays hot and the heat burns off any fuel residues. Therefore, no fouling. It stays hot because it has a lower thermal conductivity. It can't conduct the heat away from its tip to the cylinder head. A "cold" plug is cold because it DOES transfer heat from its tip to the surrounding cylinder head mass, i.e., a cold plug has higher thermal conductivity. Cold plugs can get fouled if the engine is not running continuously under load. The temperature at the electrode tip does not get hot enough with stop-and-go use or long term idling, and fuel residues accumulate = fouling. Thanks for the article.
 
   / Spark Plug Specs for PT 425 w/ Robin EH72 #30  
Jack,

I'm inclined to suspect that you are right. The exhaust/muffler system on my one year old PT425 appears extremely durable, but maybe not optimum in terms of flow, noise control, and heat dissipation. Being welded up of mostly square tubing, with welded right angle joints seems likely to cause it to operate differently than the usual mandrel-bent round tubing.

I'd be interested in the results of side-by-side comparisons of the PT exhaust systems and the Robin factory systems.

Dave
 

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