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[/pine]

I've seen what either can do to pistons/ cylinders...so I don't recommend it...

I just heard from a friend that a diesel mechanic he knows recommended using silicone spray lubricant...?

Anyone ever hear or use it...I know wd40 works on gas engines...

 

[CalG]

small amounts of ether are just the same!

JD dozers used to be fitted with a "starting aid" fitting at the operator station.

Can no one follow directions?!!!

 

[CowboyRon]

Our mechanic recommends soaking a rag with gasoline and hold it in front of the air intake.

 

[sd455dan]

small amounts of ether are just the same!

JD dozers used to be fitted with a "starting aid" fitting at the operator station.

Can no one follow directions?!!!

Ford did also - but at least on my 3000, ford also used pistons with a heavy duty top ring support - That may have something to do with how these engines seem to survive when others were damaged the first time ether was introduced...

On a cold morning when i need the tractor running Now,
I will use a (small ) shot of ether on the Ford, but no way on my chinese rhino - luckily the rhino starts down to about 15* without using the block heater

 

[paulfun9]

I think the small amount of starting fluid needed to start an old tractor is much safer than trying to hold a gasoline soaked rag in front of the air cleaner.

 

[TripleR]

Our Case CX80 OEM "cold starting kit" used a remotely triggered can of ether.

 

[SandburRanch]

It's all in the air to fuel ratio for combustion for a given gas. Does the ether can directions tell what A/F ratio your engine is getting. I doubt it by squirting by seconds measurement.
Prestone
Hold can upright and spray a 1 to 2 second burst into air intake or carburetor. Do not let can contact battery terminals or starter solenoid. Avoid excessive application. 2. With air cleaner and cover in place, start engine. Do not spray while trying to start engine. 3. If engine fails to start after repeating steps 1 and 2 several times, have ignition system checked. Do not use in diesel engines with glow plugs (See owner's manual). Contains an upper cylinder lubricant.

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QUICK START SITE
Precision flow is achieved by testing, calculation, sizing, and placement. A small amount of a premium ether-based blend is delivered from the cylinder through a micron filter, through a metering device into the delivery tube, and finally through the atomizer which is fitted in the intake air stream of the diesel engine. The atomized ether blend is injected into the air inlet incoming air steam and drawn into the engine combustion chamber (engine cylinder). The atomized ether/air mixture will ignite and burn as it is being compressed, raising the temperature in the combustion chamber to a point high enough for complete ignition of the injected diesel fuel. Cold-testing at +50 F to -50 F has resulted in complete startup in 3 to 7 seconds.

 

[dieseleric]

small amounts of ether are just the same!

JD dozers used to be fitted with a "starting aid" fitting at the operator station.

Can no one follow directions?!!!

They still do. As does the excavators, dozers, backhoes, rubbered tire front loaders etc. Moderate shots of either doesn't hurt a diesel. Just be sensable about the shot. Don't either lock the engine or squirt a can in at a time.

 

[sd455dan]

They still do. As does the excavators, dozers, backhoes, rubbered tire front loaders etc. Moderate shots of either doesn't hurt a diesel. Just be sensable about the shot. Don't either lock the engine or squirt a can in at a time.

Sensible is good

- just don't do what that character did on one of the last (Gold Rush) series shows .


That guy just kept spraying ether non stop into a Volvo diesel engine. Myself and others watching were just waiting for the engine to start and run away -which is what it did do- along with catching on fire - What a waste...

 

[Gary Fowler]

Sensible is good

- just don't do what that character did on one of the last (Gold Rush) series shows .


That guy just kept spraying ether non stop into a Volvo diesel engine. Myself and others watching were just waiting for the engine to start and run away -which is what it did do- along with catching on fire - What a waste...

That whole show is a farce. Claims of about to loose their house etc but have money to have brand new trucks, a $100K+ trackhoe, dozer, money to build that huge separator etc. If they had put all that money into paying their bills, then they wouldn't have a problem. Most (no all) of those reality shows are drama staged acts to make them a bit more interesting. I watched the Gold rush a couple of times but quickly saw that it is just trash show like all the others. Networks love them because they are cheap to produce and lots of folks seem to love them. The watchers must not have any life of their own to have to watch that crap. RANT OVER>

Most ether starting systems say to use a 2 second burst which is basically a measured amount. If you do more it will lock up the engine on most tractors.

 

[sd455dan]

That whole show is a farce. Claims of about to loose their house etc but have money to have brand new trucks, a $100K+ trackhoe, dozer, money to build that huge separator etc. If they had put all that money into paying their bills, then they wouldn't have a problem. Most (no all) of those reality shows are drama staged acts to make them a bit more interesting. I watched the Gold rush a couple of times but quickly saw that it is just trash show like all the others. Networks love them because they are cheap to produce and lots of folks seem to love them. The watchers must not have any life of their own to have to watch that crap. RANT OVER>

Most ether starting systems say to use a 2 second burst which is basically a measured amount. If you do more it will lock up the engine on most tractors.

i do know many of these shows are just entertainment and many of these people make far more money by being on a show than they will ever make doing their (job) but the kid (Parker) that was running the crew that burned the volvo did end up producing OVER 1000 ounces of gold in one season - I doubt he made that much for appearing...

 

[/pine]

All the shows are scripted but that does not mean they do not depict actual endeavors...
I like the gold rush show for the machinery mostly...the fishing/crabbing shows are semi-entertaining (like a lot of the shows...minus the personalities)

The really horrible shows are the ones that are entirely scripted and rehearsed like the pawn shop and storage unit auction shows...also the scavenger shows...total malarkey...

A couple of things I recall from shows I've watched...

On gold Rush...the cajun sounding guy who I think is "Freds" son...needed a machine to clear some ice/snow...there was an old d8 dozer that had been sitting for decades...it was so old it did not use hydraulics to work the blade...all the cables were rusted apart...yet even though he was by himself he had the d8 running...!

On the Tuna show....if one/any of those guys "has to catch a fish" to support their family...they have no business fishing for a living...!

 

[Cherokee140]

Sensible is good

- just don't do what that character did on one of the last (Gold Rush) series shows .


That guy just kept spraying ether non stop into a Volvo diesel engine. Myself and others watching were just waiting for the engine to start and run away -which is what it did do- along with catching on fire - What a waste...

That is the key...use your head. A short wiff is all it takes. The stuff is SO volatile.

Every seen a top fuel car start....They have a little bottle that they hold the throttle open so the plates on the blower open then squeeze a good amount into.

Watch this video, at about 120 and again about a minute later you can see a guy with a bottle and a squirter he is shooting raw fuel into the engine to get it to fire. And that amount that is shot into the engine is VERY LITTLE FOR THAT ENGINE. Those engines use fuel like you would not imagine. The fuel will also bring a tear to your eye...that is why some of the guys have masks on. Guess it does not bother everyone the same, but it sure messed my world up.

Oh and that gold rush show. 100% for tv....in other words FAKE.

 

[sd455dan]

Several times - ever been in the pits?- and got some nitro-methane in the eyes ... got to Love drag racing:thumbsup: