Starting problems

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LowellBen

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2015 Mahindra 1538HST
I've got a major puzzler here.

Tractor is a 2015 1538 HST with 135 hours. I bought it as a repo back in December. I've put about 15 hours on it. All of the fluids and filters have been changed with the exception of the front axle fluid - on my list of to do's.

For the last few engine starts, there was a chattering noise coming from the left side of the engine which would stop after a few seconds. Wasn't obvious where the noise was coming from. Last time i used the tractor, the starter was intermittent, turn key to start, starter would whine, but not engage the flywheel. Next time starter would engage and motor would start. Next attempt it wouldn't. Also noticed that the clutch freeplay had gone way out of adjustment.

Well, started to pull the starter out and all sorts of crap started to fall out of the opening. Dirt, seeds and fur. Somehow mice got up into the clutch housing area. I cleaned all the crap out of the starter nose and bendix area and there was a lot of it. Kept thumping the starter on the workbench and stuff kept falling out. Finally stuff stopped falling out. Shaft that the starter gear slides/spins on has a blue discoloration, so it got hot at one time. Gear spins freely. Took it into O'Reilly's and it tested ok. I inspected the teeth on the flywheel and all looks ok. I loosened up the cover plate underneath and then used compressed air through the starter mount opening to blow whatever stuff I could out of the clutch area. And a lot of stuff came out, sand, dirt, seeds and fur. Put the starter back in and same problem, starter spins but does not engage the flywheel. I took the starter back out, reconnected the wiring and spun the starter where I could see the operation of the the starter gear. All appears to work normally, the bendix drives the gear forward and it spins. Gear teeth on the starter looks fine, teeth on the flywheel look fine.

So after the fact, I now understand where the chattering noise was coming from after engine start. The starter gear was staying engaged with the flywheel after engine start cause all the crap in the starter was not allowing the bendix to release.

So I have some questions...

What is wrong?

How are mice getting up in there?

Where is best place to buy a starter? But current starter appears to work like it should.

Could there be damage to the flywheel gear teeth that I'm not seeing?

Thanks for all thoughts and ideas on this. Starter should/does work - but it doesn't.

Lowell
 
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Got out a strong light and a magnifying lens. Starter gear is toast. What I initially thought was just the way the gear was machined, is actually the front edge of the teeth are ground down. I would suspect that there should be an angle machined into the leading edge of the teeth to allow engagement with the flywheel teeth, these teeth don't have that.

Using the strong light and mag lens looking into the starter mount hole, there does appear to be some wear to the leading edge of the flywheel teeth. I think/hope the flywheel is still ok.

Anybody know if I can just get the bendix/gear for this starter?
 
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I suspect you can get just the Bendix assembly. Probably start with the local parts store to see if they can match something up. If they can't then try the dealer.
 
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Thanks for the idea, already been there. Checked with O'Reilly, Autozone, Napa and Carquest - no cross reference. Checked with a starter/alternator overhaul shop, he couldn't cross to anything in his suppliers databases. I would bet money that there is a US made part that has the same specs, but I have no idea on how to get access to the part numbers. Yes, I'll contact the nearest dealer tomorrow morning, but I suspect he will only sell me the entire starter and I think the list price from Mahindra is in the area of $500. Amusingly, I found a parts supplier in India who has the part for 6300 rupee or about $83. Wonder how much to air ship and custom fees to get the starter from India? Also saw a Chinese manufacturer who manufactures a Bosch knockoff. I even went to Bosch Global and tried to look up PN F002G20292, nothing came up. I guess Mahindra USA holds their part distribution/manufacturing very close to the chest.
 
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Suggest you get a new starter...but not from Mahindra. I had to replace my starter on my 6000. I think I paid right at $190 delivered (about 5 years ago)...got it off Ebay. Best $$ I've spent...no real other problems since 2003.
 
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JerryK, thanks for the link. Link shows the exact part number and starter looks the same. When I was searching the part number, I did have a couple hits on Amazon and on Ebay. The Amazon hit was for Reubicon International out of Austin, TX. They want $310. The Ebay hits were for starters, but not the PN that I had entered in the search. During my web searches I saw references to the 2.5L Scorpio, but could not xref that piece of info to anything. I'm gonna see if I can find a phone number for Bosch USA and talk to someone there.

And BobG, thanks for that info.

Internet searches have been my friend for many obscure parts I've needed in the past. This starter is one of the few times I've searched for something and not gotten hits that have led me to a place where I could obtain the item at a reasonable price. I'm embarrassed that JerryK got a hit on the PN for the part in the UK, but I couldn't get any useful hit.

Thanks for the info guys.

But still, how are the mice getting up in there in the first place????
 
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Decided not to wait for Bosch to get back to me. Ordered starter from the place in the UK. Already have a shipping tracking number, but the number hasn't gone live yet, so don't know if I'll get it by May 5 as claimed. Dealer wanted 2.5x what the place in the UK is getting even when shipping is factored in.
 
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Life is GOOD .... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
 
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Just for future reff., MANY diesel fuel injection shops also sell alt. & starters..
ESPECIALLY if u have a BOSCH P#.. 95% of them are Bosch authorized & can get u any Bosch P# u need..
& u might have gotten more hits if u put the # in correctly..?? F-002-G20-292 & some are written.. F002-G20-292..
seldom are run all together..
Anyway, glad u found 1..
 

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