Stick welding questions

   / Stick welding questions #11  
I use all three and my general preference is for 7018. It's a superb fill rod too. I too use a little Millermatic MIG but get the ARC out for more penetrating demanding welds. I have researced larger MIG units like Millers 251 and Lincolns 300. My next MIG will be a Lincoln, I would suggest you try one, they have really, really done some research in an area where I always thought Miller was King.
 
   / Stick welding questions #12  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I have experience with MIG which is fairly straight forward.)</font>

If you're a pusher, you push your puddle and work it instead of pulling it or dragging it I have another option.

Lincoln makes a rod called 5P+. Their regular pipeline E6010 is a red colored flux rod called 5P. The 5P+ is a grey flux rod. It's also an E6010 rod but it's not the same. They act a lot different.

For me the red rod cuts hard like a regular any brand E6011. I find they cut more than they fill. And working the puddle isn't as easy as I find with the 5P+. 7018 and 6013 are what I call runny rods. You're getting more material into the weld than you're cutting. So it's less about working the puddle and more about directing it.

A case in point. Vertical welds I like to up. I can do them down but I'm more comfortable with the joint's strength and construction. Sometimes I've used 6013 because it leaves such a pretty bead when it's done properly. I don't have the skill to do 6013 up. Barely have the skill to do 7018 up and have it look good.

An old weldor told me how to do 6013 down. He said to crank up the machine fifteen amps more than I thought appropriate. Start the arc, turn my head, and drop my hand. It works. You can do 6013 down and if you're hot enough and move fast enough the flux won't have time to get into the bead.

With 5P+ I find that I'm cutting just right and also getting in just the right amount of filler to have a comfortable puddle to work with. I think if you have mig experience you can relate to what I'm saying. There's this point where the heat and the wire speed are just right. For me the 5P+ has the wire speed adjusted just right if I have my heat right on.

The other thing that's nice about 5P+ is it cleans up easy. I use knot brushes on small angle grinders. I usually have three angle grinders at any welding situation, shop or truck etc. One with the knot brush, another with a grinding disc, and the last one with a Tiger disc or generic replacement.

My father taught me to weld using 6011 on sixteen gauge galvanized fence tubing making gates. If you're seeing a puddle you're a milisecond late and you already have a hole, big hole. But I learned to work the puddle.

We'd bought a small gas drive (portable welder) and I was doing some work on a ranch in trade for feed for a calf. One day one ton showed up with a flat bed all framed out but not decked.

Naturally I walked over and inspected the welds. They were like rows of dimes. I was totally blown away. I didn't know how anyone could have that kind of control. I knew what I wanted to learn how to do.

Some time later I decided to take a gravy course while using up my VA education benefits. I first took a gas welding class. I loved it. In fact if it's possible I believe everyone should first learn gas welding. That way no matter what kind of welding you do you know what's basically happening.

Then I took the arc welding class. First night the instructor gathers us around. He lays down two prepared coupons (pieces to practice with) and explains what he's going to do with the 6013 rod. We flip down our hoods and he does it. Then he taps the coupon with the hammer and the flux falls off. It's like a row of dimes.

"That cheatin' SOB" came out of my mouth before I could stop myself.

BTW I have two migs and and two stick machines, one is a gas drive. It stick two inches of weld for every quarter inch of mig.
 
   / Stick welding questions #13  
As a certified all position welder I would recommend getting a box of 7018 and using then as they are a high strength low hydrogen rod. However they are an A.C. rod. Weld using a drag technique with the rod at around a ten degree angle. Try to keep arc short to avoid arc blow and wandering. It may take a while to get the hang of it, but in my experience this usually produces the best results. Find some scrap metal and concentrate an keeping the puddle at first, then move up to a weave pattern. Keep in mind that it is possible to weld 1/4 to 1/2 plate in a single pass but that requires a heavy rod and alot of amperage. Most of the time you'll get better results using a 3/32 to 5/32 rod and doing multiple passes in a fillet joint on thicker metal. Remember to tack weld to ENTIRE joint about every 8 to 10 inches to help avoid welding draw and clean ALL the slag out as it will contaminate and weaken the weld. Good luck and I hope this helps.
 
   / Stick welding questions #14  
<font color="blue">As a certified all position welder I would recommend getting a box of 7018 and using then as they are a high strength low hydrogen rod. However they are an A.C. rod. </font>

DragonsBane,

I think you meant DC rod for the 7018...

Trouble with the 7018 is the moisture issue, for guys like me who are hobby welders and may not have a project going to use up the rods. And may not have an oven to keep them dry...hummm...another project, I wonder... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Those 7018 sure are easier to make a pretty bead with than the 6010s, at least for like me who don't do enough welding to get real good at it...not that my 7018 beads are pretty, just prettier...than the 6010s are... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
   / Stick welding questions #15  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I think you meant DC rod for the 7018...)</font>

They have A/C E7018 available now for those who only have A/C machines. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

7018 is sometimes referred to as "farmer's friend" because it can be used on tool steel and as a hard surfacing medium.

It does make a pretty bead.
 
   / Stick welding questions #16  
<font color="blue">Trouble with the 7018 is the moisture issue, for guys like me who are hobby welders and may not have a project going to use up the rods. And may not have an oven to keep them dry...hummm...another project, I wonder...
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Henro a friend of mine acquired an old refrigerator that someone had set out on the curb for junk. He cut the wires to everything but the internal lamp and wired it so that it was always lit. It was small wattage but that closed box with the light bulb generated enough heat to keep his rod dry and warm. He said it really helped with his welding. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Stick welding questions #17  
One of the guys I worked with at a maintenance place for Fritolay inc had his tool box set up and had built a small side box which had a light bulb in it and left it on all the time. this was the welding rod sotrage for him. made a world of diffferance when talking the shop was usually about 90% or better in humidity year round! was really bad in summer there 110 deg F and 98% humidity! floors would get slimy orm the oils & grease even after constant cleaning and they used a grease desolving solution which would turn the stuff into slime that was harder to walk on than anything I've ever seen! lots of slip& falls, usually not many injuries though cause we all had a nice layer of padding from all those delisous chips HOT off the frier! (don't get me wrong the place aws cleaner than MY kitchen!) just a really big building is harder to keep clean even with full time cleaning people!

Mark M /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Stick welding questions #18  
<font color="blue"> Henro a friend of mine acquired an old refrigerator that someone had set out on the curb for junk....He said it really helped with his welding. </font>

PineRidge,

I can relate to that! My old fridge holds beer kegs...can't say that helps much with my welding though, now that I think about it... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Stick welding questions #19  
My buddy took a old coleman cooler drilled a small hole for the wires and used a small 12volt light plugs it in to a 12 volt hook up in his truck for when he goes to job sites he uses it a great deal in the winter. you could use a small X-mas light too the space is small the cooler does not take up much room in the shop, that is if you don't buy bulk. His will hold two tins or more if you take them out of the box. just my 2 cents /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Stick welding questions #20  
I've found small freezers work great. One of the problems is using good appliance bulbs or replacing others frequently. I'm using about fourteen cubic foot one now, have been for about ten years.
 

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