Still trying to find turf rims for AF120

   / Still trying to find turf rims for AF120
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#11  
I must be missing something then. I took some rough measurements from the current ag tyres on there at the moment. The rears have an outside diameter of approx 36" and the fronts approx 24"

Seems to me the JD wheels are about the same external size?
 
   / Still trying to find turf rims for AF120 #12  
I must be missing something then. I took some rough measurements from the current ag tyres on there at the moment. The rears have an outside diameter of approx 36" and the fronts approx 24"

Seems to me the JD wheels are about the same external size?

Whilest looking at that link you had provided, the rear wheels stacked under the front wheels didn't seem to be much bigger. Thus, the concern.
 
   / Still trying to find turf rims for AF120
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#13  
Whilest looking at that link you had provided, the rear wheels stacked under the front wheels didn't seem to be much bigger. Thus, the concern.

Thanks, and understood, this is why I'm posting here - to benefit from the collective expertise!

I measured the current wheels and they came out as follows:

Front
Diameter 620mm (24.4 inches)
Circumference (153.31 inches)
Hub 75mm
6 bolt
Rim diameter 12 inches

Rear
Diameter 920mm (36.2 inches)
Circumference (227.45 inches)
Hub 85mm
6 bolt
Rim diameter 23 inches

From what I can see, those on eBay are as follows:

Front
24x8.50-14

Rear
36x14.00-15

Doing a bit of reading, the external height of these are as follows:

Front
24" - 24x8.50-14 (215/60-14) Carlisle Multi Trac CS Block - TerrainTyres.co.uk

Rear
36" - 36x14.00-15 Carlisle Multi Trac CS Block - TerrainTyres.co.uk

So I reckon unless I'm missing something, these are almost exactly the right size for my machine?
 
   / Still trying to find turf rims for AF120 #14  
Thanks, and understood, this is why I'm posting here - to benefit from the collective expertise!

I measured the current wheels and they came out as follows:

Rear
36" - 36x14.00-15 Carlisle Multi Trac CS Block - TerrainTyres.co.uk

I'd say the 36 is strange once again. I checked your link to the Carlisle. Either that tire is NOT 36 or it has one of the LARGEST valve stems for a wheel of that size!

36 is just under a meter. Or as the saying goes, a yard stick. A valve stem at most is 1/2 the length of a person's index finger. Now rest that on a yard stick. Take 4 steps back and then look at the web link. Something is amiss.
 
   / Still trying to find turf rims for AF120
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#15  
The site does say that the image is for illustration only, so I assume its a of a tyre of different size?
 
   / Still trying to find turf rims for AF120 #16  
There's a couple things you're dealing with here, pumasong. The first is finding matched turf tires, and the other is getting wheels to fit whatever tires are compatible. The calculation you did for your circumferences isn't correct if the diameters are correctly measured (I think you doubled the diameter), so I found this tire website: https://www.bkt-tires.com/ww/en/tr-171 that lists the rolling circumferences for the 6.00-12 fronts (1953mm), and 8.3-22 rears (2778mm). When I compare the ratio of front/rear, I get 0.703.

As long as you find tires that are near that proportion, you should be safe. Carlisle lists actual mounted diameters for most of its products. Multi-Trac C/S Tire

The width of rim they are mounted on as well as the pressure will affect all of the measurements, of course, but it should get into the ballpark at least for safe operation.

It also seems like there is a reasonable assortment of turf-pattern tires in various heights that should fit your 12" front rims, so the issue will be figuring out what to do about the situation out back. As best I can tell from your measurements and pictures online, the bolt pattern is 6x120mm.

It looks like some GM crossover-type SUVs use the 6x120mm bolt pattern, though with a different hub bore. The wheels seem to be 18" or 20" diameter, which doesn't seem to help with turf tire availability. However, it does mean that there are some commercially available adapters. These seem reasonably priced for the rear2X 1.5" Wheel Adapters 6x12 to 6x139.7 6x5.5" Fits Chevy Canyon 6Lug Conversion | eBay

The 6x5.5 would allow you to use Toyota, Nissan, and GM 1/2 ton 4x4 wheels, along with many agricultural implement wheels. These are all commonly available with 15" and 16" wheel diameters. This is handy, because those wheel diameters would allow the use of the most common turf tires out back. You will need to find a rim 10" wide, probably, at a bare minimum, which likely means finding aftermarket 4x4 type. Otherwise, you will probably need to use tractor wheels, which may not match a conveniently available adapter like the automotive wheels would. You may also have to deal with backspacing issues with automotive wheels, though the adapters will help with that.

All that said, I would suggest that the turf tires and wheels you linked on ebay are a great option. The rear tires are the most expensive item, and you can have an adapter made or modified if one isn't available to match the 2520's bolt pattern.

Most of the time on grass you should be running in 2 wheel drive anyway, so I wouldn't have excess concern about the size mismatch. By my numbers it would be better if the fronts were about an inch taller, but I think you might decide to buy front tires that mount on your current wheels anyway. The spacers are fine out back, but offsetting the front wheels with a spacer may adversely affect the steering geometry. I would try to avoid spacers or adapters in front if possible, so if the bolt patterns don't match for the wheels off the 2520, I would put different tires on your current front rims before adapting the others. This is an interesting project, I wish you luck, and look forward to seeing pictures!
 
   / Still trying to find turf rims for AF120
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#17  
Firstly thanks for the really informative and considered post, really appreciated. I've reserved the rims mentioned but not yet purchased. I've also found someone that can machine the adapters for me.

So firstly about the sizes. I've been out and re-measured the existing ag tyres/rims and I'm pretty sure my measurements were about right. They are as follows (all measured to the top of the lugs on the tyres):

Front
Radius 310mm
Circumference (calculated from radius) 1947mm

Rear
Radius 470mm
Circumference (calculated) 2953mm

I believe this gives a rolling circumference ratio of 1.51:1. (e.g. 1.51 rotations of the front wheel = 1 rotation of the rear)

The new tyres appear to be the following sizes:

Front
Total height/diameter 24" = 609mm
Radius (calculated) = 304.5mm
Circumference (calculated) = 1913mm

Rear
Total height/diameter 36" = 914mm
Radius (calculated) = 457mm
Circumference (calculated from radius) = 2871mm

This gives a front to back ratio of 1.50:1 which is almost identical to the standard rims. So I think these are ideal, and also CHEAP! which is great news for me.

Next problem - the adapters on the front. I think I am going to gamble on this and see what happens. If I do find the handling adversely affected, I will look to get the front rims modified to fit the standard stud pattern. This will be slightly more costly, but I think the adapters will be OK. I'll try to make them as thin as possible whilst still effective.

Interested to hear thoughts on this and whether you feel I've made a mistake somewhere above. Thanks again for all the comments and shared expertise!
 
   / Still trying to find turf rims for AF120
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#18  
Hi all,

Thanks to everyone for your help and ideas - if anyone is interested I managed to get the new rims fitted to the AF120 - and they work great :)

More info on my build thread here: Yanmar AF120 turf tyre retrofit
 

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