Stubborn oil leak

   / Stubborn oil leak #1  

marrt

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Northern VA
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Power Trac 1845 and 425
While mowing, I discovered an oil leak around the right rear wheel motor area. I guess I’m lucky…this is my first oil leak. I thought it was the wheel motor for sure and called Terry. Since I’m not getting any oil around the hub on the outside of the tractor – only inside the tub – Terry said he doubted it was the wheel motor. He said, 98% of the time, wheel motor leaks will show up outside the tractor around the hub. He thought it was likely a small pin hole in one of the hoses. Here’s what I’ve done so far:

- I put the tractor on blocks so I could spin the wheels with the engine while looking in the tub. This is fun because at the best vantage point, there’s a steady stream of diesel exhaust blowing in my ear. And for those who are curious, the right rear and left front wheels would turn, but the others would not. Unless I put the parking brake on. Then they all would try to turn at different times. Anyway, I couldn’t get the oil leak to start.

- I did find a spot on one of the hoses coming from the gear pump that could be a hole. Ah ha! I thought. So I hooked the mower up, while the tractor was still on blocks, and turned the mower on. No leak.

- Hmm. Maybe it is the wheel motor and the motor needs weight on it for the seal to leak. I disconnected the mower, jacked the tractor up, removed the blocks and drove around the yard. No leak.

- Hmmm. Well, maybe it’s PTO hose after all and I just didn’t get the pressure high enough in the garage because the diesel fumes were already making me dizzy. So I hooked the mower up and drove around mowing the yard (yard needs mowing now anyway). I kept the hood up and went slow so I could peer into the tub. Had flashbacks of using a “normal” tractor with a rear finish mower. Almost ran over the telephone green thing that’s sticks out of the ground. Barely missed the underground utilities box. No leak.

- Hmmmm. Maybe the oil has to warm up or I need to put the motor under pressure. I did leave the brake on in the garage while spinning the wheel a few times. But the oil wasn’t hot. So, I mowed more and finally drove up the steepest hill on my property and….an oil mist started to develop in the tub. So it’s leaking now, but from where? Had the wife move the tractor back and forth, narrowly missing my foot several times as I concentrated on peering into the tub and keeping the now hot exhaust out of my ear. Heard a little voice suggesting this approach may not be too safe. No leak.

- I get on and move forward and it leaks but I could not see where. Repeat with wife, no leak. Yell at wife for not being able to cause the leak. Wife goes back in the house without another word. I drive the tractor back to garage.

By the time I got to the garage, 50 feet or so, there was ½” of oil in the front of the tub. I parked on a down slope so it would drain out (hopefully). Going to Wal-mart to buy some stuff to clean the oil out of the tub. I think I’ve read that Simply Green will work unless someone has another suggestion. Here’s what I’ve learned so far: 1) The leak only occurs when the wheel motor is running, 2) the leak only occurs with the oil is hot, 3) the leak will occur if the PTO is on or off and 4) yelling at wife late in the day means no dinner for the night. I’m still thinking it’s the wheel motor.
 
   / Stubborn oil leak
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While mowing, I discovered an oil leak around the right rear wheel motor area. I guess I’m lucky…this is my first oil leak. I thought it was the wheel motor for sure and called Terry. Since I’m not getting any oil around the hub on the outside of the tractor – only inside the tub – Terry said he doubted it was the wheel motor. He said, 98% of the time, wheel motor leaks will show up outside the tractor around the hub. He thought it was likely a small pin hole in one of the hoses. Here’s what I’ve done so far:

- I put the tractor on blocks so I could spin the wheels with the engine while looking in the tub. This is fun because at the best vantage point, there’s a steady stream of diesel exhaust blowing in my ear. And for those who are curious, the right rear and left front wheels would turn, but the others would not. Unless I put the parking brake on. Then they all would try to turn at different times. Anyway, I couldn’t get the oil leak to start.

- I did find a spot on one of the hoses coming from the gear pump that could be a hole. Ah ha! I thought. So I hooked the mower up, while the tractor was still on blocks, and turned the mower on. No leak.

- Hmm. Maybe it is the wheel motor and the motor needs weight on it for the seal to leak. I disconnected the mower, jacked the tractor up, removed the blocks and drove around the yard. No leak.

- Hmmm. Well, maybe it’s PTO hose after all and I just didn’t get the pressure high enough in the garage because the diesel fumes were already making me dizzy. So I hooked the mower up and drove around mowing the yard (yard needs mowing now anyway). I kept the hood up and went slow so I could peer into the tub. Had flashbacks of using a “normal” tractor with a rear finish mower. Almost ran over the telephone green thing that’s sticks out of the ground. Barely missed the underground utilities box. No leak.

- Hmmmm. Maybe the oil has to warm up or I need to put the motor under pressure. I did leave the brake on in the garage while spinning the wheel a few times. But the oil wasn’t hot. So, I mowed more and finally drove up the steepest hill on my property and….an oil mist started to develop in the tub. So it’s leaking now, but from where? Had the wife move the tractor back and forth, narrowly missing my foot several times as I concentrated on peering into the tub and keeping the now hot exhaust out of my ear. Heard a little voice suggesting this approach may not be too safe. No leak.

- I get on and move forward and it leaks but I could not see where. Repeat with wife, no leak. Yell at wife for not being able to cause the leak. Wife goes back in the house without another word. I drive the tractor back to garage.

By the time I got to the garage, 50 feet or so, there was ½” of oil in the front of the tub. I parked on a down slope so it would drain out (hopefully). Going to Wal-mart to buy some stuff to clean the oil out of the tub. I think I’ve read that Simply Green will work unless someone has another suggestion. Here’s what I’ve learned so far: 1) The leak only occurs when the wheel motor is running, 2) the leak only occurs with the oil is hot, 3) the leak will occur if the PTO is on or off and 4) yelling at wife late in the day means no dinner for the night. I’m still thinking it’s the wheel motor.
 
   / Stubborn oil leak #3  
I think your leak is caused by #4. There is a direct relationship between oil leaks and wife's demeanor.

I beg to differ from what Terry said. The leak I had (have) was the seal around the shaft of the wheel motor. I found it only when I stopped to check the mower. I saw no visible oil on the outside of the tire or rim. The inside of the tire and rim was covered with oil and dirt.

If I did not have my tires reversed I think it would have been harder to see. However, once I stopped on the driveway for a few minutes with the tractor idling, the puddle of oil appeared quickly and was quite large.
-Tim
 
   / Stubborn oil leak #4  
I think your leak is caused by #4. There is a direct relationship between oil leaks and wife's demeanor.

I beg to differ from what Terry said. The leak I had (have) was the seal around the shaft of the wheel motor. I found it only when I stopped to check the mower. I saw no visible oil on the outside of the tire or rim. The inside of the tire and rim was covered with oil and dirt.

If I did not have my tires reversed I think it would have been harder to see. However, once I stopped on the driveway for a few minutes with the tractor idling, the puddle of oil appeared quickly and was quite large.
-Tim
 
   / Stubborn oil leak #5  
<font color="blue"> 4) yelling at wife late in the day means no dinner for the night. I’m still thinking it’s the wheel motor.
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I'll bet if you apologize, the leak will stop.... /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
   / Stubborn oil leak #6  
<font color="blue"> 4) yelling at wife late in the day means no dinner for the night. I’m still thinking it’s the wheel motor.
</font>

I'll bet if you apologize, the leak will stop.... /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
   / Stubborn oil leak #7  
I think I may have an answer as to where the leak is coming from. This involves some small work on your part. and will show where the leak is coming from, in the hydraulic system and engine oil, which is usually the same oil. I have seen it work, and is almost a no brainer. It is called leak detector, and glows yellow/green when a black light is used. Napa stores has this. You simply put the right amount of leak detector in the tank, and let it circulate. Before you do all this I would wash down the areas with a strong detergent. Run the engine or motors for awhile, and look for anything that looks like oil. Shine the black light on everything, and when you find the leak, a yellow/green trail will be coming from the leak. When you are finished, wash down everything again. If you have any future leaks, just shine the black light around, and the leak will be obvious. This will work for cylinder leaks also. Any black light will work, from the ultraviolet bug lights to the $200.00 security black lights.

You can also paint this stuff on your tools, vehicles, and you will know who is touching or stealing them. Just shine the black light on their hands.
 
   / Stubborn oil leak #8  
I think I may have an answer as to where the leak is coming from. This involves some small work on your part. and will show where the leak is coming from, in the hydraulic system and engine oil, which is usually the same oil. I have seen it work, and is almost a no brainer. It is called leak detector, and glows yellow/green when a black light is used. Napa stores has this. You simply put the right amount of leak detector in the tank, and let it circulate. Before you do all this I would wash down the areas with a strong detergent. Run the engine or motors for awhile, and look for anything that looks like oil. Shine the black light on everything, and when you find the leak, a yellow/green trail will be coming from the leak. When you are finished, wash down everything again. If you have any future leaks, just shine the black light around, and the leak will be obvious. This will work for cylinder leaks also. Any black light will work, from the ultraviolet bug lights to the $200.00 security black lights.

You can also paint this stuff on your tools, vehicles, and you will know who is touching or stealing them. Just shine the black light on their hands.
 
   / Stubborn oil leak #9  
Take a roll of paper towels, check every fitting and hose with the paper towels. You find one that is really wet, that is probably your leak. Oil flows down hill, so start checking at the highest fitting.
 
   / Stubborn oil leak #10  
Take a roll of paper towels, check every fitting and hose with the paper towels. You find one that is really wet, that is probably your leak. Oil flows down hill, so start checking at the highest fitting.
 

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