Stupid hydraulic question on a borrowed tractor

   / Stupid hydraulic question on a borrowed tractor #11  
The JD oil is priced competitively with other name brand oils. Like others wrote the filter is the pricey part.

I see you have two options here...bite the bullet and do a full service to the engine and hydraulic systems-may cost $300-$400 but that is cheap since you can use this machine whenever you want or need to. Or just fix the hose to get it running to satisfy your immediate needs.
 
   / Stupid hydraulic question on a borrowed tractor #12  
I'll bet the OP does the service since he's asking for advice. It usually costs me ~$250 in parts and oil to do a 200-hour service; but I also change both air filters, fuel filter, engine oil and filter, and antifreeze; so the OP's cost to change hydro oil and filter, plus fix the collapsed suction line should be under $200.
 
   / Stupid hydraulic question on a borrowed tractor #13  
I'm paying about $2/liter for the cheaper (but industry rated) trans hydraulic fluid. The JD dealer is 1 1/2hrs away, Canadian Tire is 10 minutes. The filter prices are better at the auto supply stores than Can Tire, but still not as cheap as the JD prices so I always have a set of JD filters on the shelf....
 
   / Stupid hydraulic question on a borrowed tractor
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#14  
I would certainly agree that there isn't a significant enough difference in the price to warrant going with a non-deere product on the fluid replacement that is not clearly superior. The value of being able to borrow it is worth the cost and time to do the maintenance on it (I just want to make sure I do it right!) Thanks for the heads up on the rockshaft filter.
 
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#15  
Well it has taken some time but here is what has happened on this happy adventure. The owner gave me permission to do whatever I felt needed to be done to fix the tractor (finally got into port where they could get their e-mails).

So I replace the hose section that was collapsing and cracked. Started it up and was able to raise the bucket a couple of times but the second lift was clearly lacking hydraulic power. I shut it down and the new hose was looking like it was about as collapsed as the old one. I loosened the bolts to the suction screen and drained the oil. Some ugly globs of stuff were coming out with the oil. The screen was completely covered in this same goo and pretty much preventing much oil from going through it. As the last bit of oil drained out some large globs of the goo came out too. I made a tool to insert into the hole where the screen goes and scraped out the bottom of the case and more of the goo with a bit of oil too. I removed the spin-on filter and cut it open, removed the paper element and spread it out and did a thurough inspection of it. More goo but no metal filings. I trolled the oil in the buckets with a strong magnet and got a few filings, about enough to cover the eraser of a pencil. I don't think this is a concern but I'm not familar with what to expect in a tractor.

I suspect water has gotten into the case and is allowing the goo to grow. He leaves the tractor outside, uncovered here in the Pacific northwest where there is lots of rain and high humidity. If the water didn't enter directly in could easily have condenced as breathing through a vent occured.

Questions: is there a vent somewhere on the case? The goo and somewhat brownish tint to the more contaminated oil points to water, would you agree with that assessment? What can be done to prevent this from occuring? Are there bio-cides that can be added to the oil?

The screen cleaned up nicely with several washings (there is no paper element in the suction screen) and can be reused. I plan to shoot a small amount of oil through the opening where the screen goes and try to wash any remaining stuff on the bottom of the case out through the drain hole. Then reinstall the screen and a new spin-on. Refill with oil and then run the tractor for a few hours and then redrain, clean the screen again and if there is any trace of goo or discolored oil, replace the spin-on again and put in new oil. Any comments or suggestions on this plan would be appreciated. If there is a better way to deal with this problem I would appreciate hearing from you.
 
   / Stupid hydraulic question on a borrowed tractor #16  
It definitely sounds like the owner neglects his ride. Maybe he should sell it to you and then borrow it back when he needs it. It sounds like you would take better care of it.

Yep, those suction screens clean up nicely with solvent. I use mineral spirits or naphtha.

Here in dry Colorado, we don't have the humidity problems that PNW folks do; but you wouldn't know it by the last few days that seem like Denver was swapped with Seattle. Anyway, I digress. I don't know enough about hydraulic oil to know if it has the same algae forming habits as diesel in humid climates. Deere hydraulic oil is a very clear and pale yellow color, so what you're describing is concerning. The "goo" blocking the suction screen caused the pump to suck on whatever it could and that was essentially trapped air in the system resulting in the hose collapse.

I'm also wondering if the goo could be caused from clutch pack material disintegrating; but once again a true hydraulics guru would know way more than I do. It sounds like you are on the right track with the flushing idea; but once again a hydraulics expert will know more than me.
 
   / Stupid hydraulic question on a borrowed tractor #17  
Your "goo" sounds like it might be bacteria growth: Read This. Unfortunately that is not an easy fix.

The system is vented, but if it was just water it would just look like coffee in color and not "gooey"

Lets hope he takes better care of his boat while he is sailing the world...
 
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#18  
Thanks again for your advice. I think he takes good care of his boat but the tractor sits outside and I don't think it gets very regular use. I've got some major flushing and bacteria killing to do. At least part of the oil was both coffee (with cream) colored and had gooey lumps in it. I've had the thing jacked up and tilted in various angles to get as much of the stuff out as possible before I start putting things back together. I'm going to need more buckets. ha ha.
 

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