Okay, so now I really know I don't know how it works. I thought the Rockshaft placed the backhoe down into the subframe brackets. What you are saying is that the correct name of the brackets is the Rockshaft assist mounting plates, and the Subframe brackets are a whole different piece that goes on somehwere. I know there are experts that will straighten us both out by tomorrow night, probably that guy with the tractor flying through the air. he knows a lot from what I have read. Thanks, shyguy6 /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Subframe brackets 4310-4400
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Okay, so now I really know I don't know how it works. I thought the Rockshaft placed the backhoe down into the subframe brackets. What you are saying is that the correct name of the brackets is the Rockshaft assist mounting plates, and the Subframe brackets are a whole different piece that goes on somehwere. I know there are experts that will straighten us both out by tomorrow night, probably that guy with the tractor flying through the air. he knows a lot from what I have read. Thanks, shyguy6 /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Seon
Silver Member
The subframe part number is LVB24795 and list for $385.
I'll get call the dealer this morning when they open and get the part number for the Rockshaft plates.
According to the dealer's footnotes, the subframe is recommended for "rental or commerical" use only.
The saleman I spoke to last Friday took time out and read the particulars on the subframe and that's when he found that footnote buried (no pun intended).
He printed out and gave me the page outlining the "Tractor/backhoe hookup" which reads:
To Attach:
- Back tractor up to the backhoe
- Raise the rockshaft arms
- Pins in rockshaft arms engage hooks on backhoe
- Raise rockshaft arms to full up position
- Install pins
- Connect backhoe hydraulics to power beyond
- Backhoe is ready to use.
You may want to call your JD dealer and speak to a knowledgeable salesman or better yet, the service manager and confirm this info.
I'll get call the dealer this morning when they open and get the part number for the Rockshaft plates.
According to the dealer's footnotes, the subframe is recommended for "rental or commerical" use only.
The saleman I spoke to last Friday took time out and read the particulars on the subframe and that's when he found that footnote buried (no pun intended).
He printed out and gave me the page outlining the "Tractor/backhoe hookup" which reads:
To Attach:
- Back tractor up to the backhoe
- Raise the rockshaft arms
- Pins in rockshaft arms engage hooks on backhoe
- Raise rockshaft arms to full up position
- Install pins
- Connect backhoe hydraulics to power beyond
- Backhoe is ready to use.
You may want to call your JD dealer and speak to a knowledgeable salesman or better yet, the service manager and confirm this info.
Seon
Silver Member
The subframe part number is LVB24795 and list for $385.
I'll get call the dealer this morning when they open and get the part number for the Rockshaft plates.
According to the dealer's footnotes, the subframe is recommended for "rental or commerical" use only.
The saleman I spoke to last Friday took time out and read the particulars on the subframe and that's when he found that footnote buried (no pun intended).
He printed out and gave me the page outlining the "Tractor/backhoe hookup" which reads:
To Attach:
- Back tractor up to the backhoe
- Raise the rockshaft arms
- Pins in rockshaft arms engage hooks on backhoe
- Raise rockshaft arms to full up position
- Install pins
- Connect backhoe hydraulics to power beyond
- Backhoe is ready to use.
You may want to call your JD dealer and speak to a knowledgeable salesman or better yet, the service manager and confirm this info.
I'll get call the dealer this morning when they open and get the part number for the Rockshaft plates.
According to the dealer's footnotes, the subframe is recommended for "rental or commerical" use only.
The saleman I spoke to last Friday took time out and read the particulars on the subframe and that's when he found that footnote buried (no pun intended).
He printed out and gave me the page outlining the "Tractor/backhoe hookup" which reads:
To Attach:
- Back tractor up to the backhoe
- Raise the rockshaft arms
- Pins in rockshaft arms engage hooks on backhoe
- Raise rockshaft arms to full up position
- Install pins
- Connect backhoe hydraulics to power beyond
- Backhoe is ready to use.
You may want to call your JD dealer and speak to a knowledgeable salesman or better yet, the service manager and confirm this info.
rockyridgefarm
Elite Member
Nah, I aint that smart - I just hang around here too much and glean a lot of info...
FWIW means For What Its Worth. I was really nitpicking a bit when I pointed out it isn't a subframe. Seon is right when he describes the RSA system. Those side plates are nearly 1" thick. It is a very stout mount.
The real thing is it isn't a 3 point mount. Most dealers shy away from those, because there is (in legend at least) a lot of tractors that have been wish-boned by them. There ARE happy 3 point backhoe owners on tbn. Personally, i wouln't have one... I am the kind of guy that once i hear of a potential problem, it always happedns to me!
Anyway. a subframe goes UNDER the tractor. Some machines need that to support the backhoe operation. These sometimes interfer with the mid mower (some machines even have it that you can't use a mid mower at all if you use their subframe backhoe - not even with the backhoe off...) Now, no one is going to run a finish mower with a backhoe mounted, but with RSA you could...
Why is this nitpicky? If by subframe mount, you are talking about a structure mounted under the tractor's 'frame' than RSA ISN'T subframe. But if by subframe you mean 'a good strong mount that won't tear up the tractor' then RSA IS.
One last caveat. Can a 4210 take a 47? My supect memory tells me that Deere didn't rate them together. Why, I don't have the faintest idea. It may just have been marketing. OK I remember something. Early 4210s had smaller hydraulic pumps. Later machines had beefed up ones. It might be that the hydraulics were less than ideal. But for the right price, you may be very happy with the results.
FWIW means For What Its Worth. I was really nitpicking a bit when I pointed out it isn't a subframe. Seon is right when he describes the RSA system. Those side plates are nearly 1" thick. It is a very stout mount.
The real thing is it isn't a 3 point mount. Most dealers shy away from those, because there is (in legend at least) a lot of tractors that have been wish-boned by them. There ARE happy 3 point backhoe owners on tbn. Personally, i wouln't have one... I am the kind of guy that once i hear of a potential problem, it always happedns to me!
Anyway. a subframe goes UNDER the tractor. Some machines need that to support the backhoe operation. These sometimes interfer with the mid mower (some machines even have it that you can't use a mid mower at all if you use their subframe backhoe - not even with the backhoe off...) Now, no one is going to run a finish mower with a backhoe mounted, but with RSA you could...
Why is this nitpicky? If by subframe mount, you are talking about a structure mounted under the tractor's 'frame' than RSA ISN'T subframe. But if by subframe you mean 'a good strong mount that won't tear up the tractor' then RSA IS.
One last caveat. Can a 4210 take a 47? My supect memory tells me that Deere didn't rate them together. Why, I don't have the faintest idea. It may just have been marketing. OK I remember something. Early 4210s had smaller hydraulic pumps. Later machines had beefed up ones. It might be that the hydraulics were less than ideal. But for the right price, you may be very happy with the results.
rockyridgefarm
Elite Member
Nah, I aint that smart - I just hang around here too much and glean a lot of info...
FWIW means For What Its Worth. I was really nitpicking a bit when I pointed out it isn't a subframe. Seon is right when he describes the RSA system. Those side plates are nearly 1" thick. It is a very stout mount.
The real thing is it isn't a 3 point mount. Most dealers shy away from those, because there is (in legend at least) a lot of tractors that have been wish-boned by them. There ARE happy 3 point backhoe owners on tbn. Personally, i wouln't have one... I am the kind of guy that once i hear of a potential problem, it always happedns to me!
Anyway. a subframe goes UNDER the tractor. Some machines need that to support the backhoe operation. These sometimes interfer with the mid mower (some machines even have it that you can't use a mid mower at all if you use their subframe backhoe - not even with the backhoe off...) Now, no one is going to run a finish mower with a backhoe mounted, but with RSA you could...
Why is this nitpicky? If by subframe mount, you are talking about a structure mounted under the tractor's 'frame' than RSA ISN'T subframe. But if by subframe you mean 'a good strong mount that won't tear up the tractor' then RSA IS.
One last caveat. Can a 4210 take a 47? My supect memory tells me that Deere didn't rate them together. Why, I don't have the faintest idea. It may just have been marketing. OK I remember something. Early 4210s had smaller hydraulic pumps. Later machines had beefed up ones. It might be that the hydraulics were less than ideal. But for the right price, you may be very happy with the results.
FWIW means For What Its Worth. I was really nitpicking a bit when I pointed out it isn't a subframe. Seon is right when he describes the RSA system. Those side plates are nearly 1" thick. It is a very stout mount.
The real thing is it isn't a 3 point mount. Most dealers shy away from those, because there is (in legend at least) a lot of tractors that have been wish-boned by them. There ARE happy 3 point backhoe owners on tbn. Personally, i wouln't have one... I am the kind of guy that once i hear of a potential problem, it always happedns to me!
Anyway. a subframe goes UNDER the tractor. Some machines need that to support the backhoe operation. These sometimes interfer with the mid mower (some machines even have it that you can't use a mid mower at all if you use their subframe backhoe - not even with the backhoe off...) Now, no one is going to run a finish mower with a backhoe mounted, but with RSA you could...
Why is this nitpicky? If by subframe mount, you are talking about a structure mounted under the tractor's 'frame' than RSA ISN'T subframe. But if by subframe you mean 'a good strong mount that won't tear up the tractor' then RSA IS.
One last caveat. Can a 4210 take a 47? My supect memory tells me that Deere didn't rate them together. Why, I don't have the faintest idea. It may just have been marketing. OK I remember something. Early 4210s had smaller hydraulic pumps. Later machines had beefed up ones. It might be that the hydraulics were less than ideal. But for the right price, you may be very happy with the results.
Seon
Silver Member
That RSA part number is V(B?)M 19564.
It comes with the backhoe but can be bought seperately at the list price of $324.
That's a little pricey for me so I'll fabricated a subframe that'll mount under the tractor, extend out the rear to attach the bottom of my 3 pt B/H.
I'll post pics when I start on it.
It comes with the backhoe but can be bought seperately at the list price of $324.
That's a little pricey for me so I'll fabricated a subframe that'll mount under the tractor, extend out the rear to attach the bottom of my 3 pt B/H.
I'll post pics when I start on it.
Seon
Silver Member
That RSA part number is V(B?)M 19564.
It comes with the backhoe but can be bought seperately at the list price of $324.
That's a little pricey for me so I'll fabricated a subframe that'll mount under the tractor, extend out the rear to attach the bottom of my 3 pt B/H.
I'll post pics when I start on it.
It comes with the backhoe but can be bought seperately at the list price of $324.
That's a little pricey for me so I'll fabricated a subframe that'll mount under the tractor, extend out the rear to attach the bottom of my 3 pt B/H.
I'll post pics when I start on it.
rockyridgefarm
Elite Member
I found the 47 at ebay. It looks nice. Note that while it says all mounting hardware is included, there is not any shown in the pics. as usual, caveat emptor!
Seon, that subframe came out with the 448 for using it on 4310 and 4410 machines. It more than likely interferes with the mid pto. I doubt it would be needed for a 47, as it wasn't for the 48, either...
Seon, that subframe came out with the 448 for using it on 4310 and 4410 machines. It more than likely interferes with the mid pto. I doubt it would be needed for a 47, as it wasn't for the 48, either...
rockyridgefarm
Elite Member
I found the 47 at ebay. It looks nice. Note that while it says all mounting hardware is included, there is not any shown in the pics. as usual, caveat emptor!
Seon, that subframe came out with the 448 for using it on 4310 and 4410 machines. It more than likely interferes with the mid pto. I doubt it would be needed for a 47, as it wasn't for the 48, either...
Seon, that subframe came out with the 448 for using it on 4310 and 4410 machines. It more than likely interferes with the mid pto. I doubt it would be needed for a 47, as it wasn't for the 48, either...
