Submerged tractor

[Tig]

Be very gentle turning it over by hand.
Don't hesitate to split the tractor and drop the oil pan at the first sign of binding. Sometimes it gets ugly.

 

[Car Doc]

I actually did this late last fall in Michigan so the water was cold but not freezing. I'd say probably around 45 degrees. Sounds like most of you guys are pretty mechanically savvy so when people say to crank the engine manually I'm not aware of what exactly to do. What's the procedure? At least the fan mystery is solved.

You can use the starter if you use a starter button and just bump it by hitting it with the palm of your hand quick or a socket on the front crank bolt is what these guys are talking about. :thumbsup:

 

[beeforty]

You can also just jack up a rear wheel, make sure you don't have differential locked if it has that or not in 4wd and slowly spin a tire with it in gear. Be careful because you will have some gear mutiplication working against you if it is going to bind up. 1 wheel turn will be ? engine turns.

 

[massey driver]

I'am not sure but your saying you did this late last fall and your now just getting to do this stuff????. I'am not sure if you drained any of the water when it happened if not??your due for a motor overhaul now!!! Any water that would have been on top of a piston would have drained into the oil pan by now.If there was lots of water in the oil pan plus in the hydralics man are you going to have to rebuild this tractor.Sorry for the bad news but thats what it sounds like to me.Then again it's going to depend on how deep it was in the water and how much made its way into the oils etc:.Larry

 

[Don87]

I'am not sure but your saying you did this late last fall and your now just getting to do this stuff????. I'am not sure if you drained any of the water when it happened if not??your due for a motor overhaul now!!! Any water that would have been on top of a piston would have drained into the oil pan by now.If there was lots of water in the oil pan plus in the hydralics man are you going to have to rebuild this tractor.Sorry for the bad news but thats what it sounds like to me.Then again it's going to depend on how deep it was in the water and how much made its way into the oils etc:.Larry

If any water got into the cylinders at all..........the cylinder walls will be rusted, as well as the rings..........we're talking 6 months or so of sitting after it was submerged.

Definitely needs a rebuild.

 

[fixit]

It does seem a long time to leave it before thinking about fixing the problem

But you may have been lucky

You may find it is just water in the electrics as it a gas engine it may have cut out before any damage occured

Then again it may be worse i had the job of repairing my brothers engine that he got on a little deeper than it could swim and had to cut the corner off the con rod to get it out

once that was done we removed the head and replaced the damage rod and it has been sweet since

the rod still hang on a nail in front the vice to remind him of his endevers

i would pull the plugs and turn it over have alook inside if all feels good then swing it over and see what happens

You didn't say if you tried to start it or not before you parked it up

 

[No1umfan]

It got pretty cold right after I sunk it and hasn't really warmed up here in SE Michigan yet so I haven't been too inclined to mess around with it yet. I did turn the ignition once after pulling all the plugs and just got clicking, no turnover.

 

[Car Doc]

It got pretty cold right after I sunk it and hasn't really warmed up here in SE Michigan yet so I haven't been too inclined to mess around with it yet. I did turn the ignition once after pulling all the plugs and just got clicking, no turnover.

OUCH! You will have most likely to pound the pistons out when you overhaul it and thats before boring or sleeving it and thats just the engine the rest will be....well I am sure glad its not me sorry to hear about it man but you have to get on it within hours if you hope to salvage it once they take on h2o most of us thought you had just sunk it when you posted sorry

 

[schmism]

It got pretty cold right after I sunk it and hasn't really warmed up here in SE Michigan yet so I haven't been too inclined to mess around with it yet.

ummm your situation just went from

bad, but salvageable to

good luck with that, start shopping for a new engine or tractor

If you are asking question about how to turn the motor over by hand, you lack the know-how to rebuild the engine. While there is nothing to loose in trying to get the current one running by doing basic stuff.

IMHO your looking at a full engine rebuild by a shop or a new engine or a new tractor as there is also questions about water sitting in all the other fluid areas, (Trans, hydrualics, axles etc)

 

[Soundguy]

OUCH! You will have most likely to pound the pistons out when you overhaul it and thats before boring or sleeving it and thats just the engine the rest will be....well I am sure glad its not me sorry to hear about it man but you have to get on it within hours if you hope to salvage it once they take on h2o most of us thought you had just sunk it when you posted sorry

i'd have at least filled the cyls with diesel .. heck.. entire engine with diesel.... drain the tranny and diffy and hyds and fill ALL with diesel vs letting it set up and rus tlike that.

bet every roller bearing and journal in there is rusted..

soundguy

 

[Car Doc]

i'd have at least filled the cyls with diesel .. heck.. entire engine with diesel.... drain the tranny and diffy and hyds and fill ALL with diesel vs letting it set up and rus tlike that.

bet every roller bearing and journal in there is rusted..

soundguy

Oh absolutely that would have been a great idea bet he wishes that he did too that sure would have gone a long way keeping it viable until he could tear it down and fix it right.

 

[jonyyuma]

Wow, been sitting, how long???? Might just have to really become a mechanic....or crack the checkbook for another one. Sounds like a real project coming up. Jy.

 

[Soundguy]

i've rejuvenated submerged machines... but somebody got then drained and filled with oil before letting them set. even though they set under water a couple weeks.. it is when they are out of the water that the rust gets them..


soundguy

 

[jonyyuma]

i've rejuvenated submerged machines... but somebody got then drained and filled with oil before letting them set. even though they set under water a couple weeks.. it is when they are out of the water that the rust gets them..


soundguy

Okay, i bought a MB diesel engine that had only had "a little water down the injector"...I tryed to drive the piston out with a 4x4 block and sledge. Soaked it in diesel for a week and then kroil oil for a week. that piston is still in the block...

 

[Soundguy]

going in hot vs statonary with rising water makes a difference too.

IE.. driving into water is mre damaging that a tractor setting there and water rising and coveringit.

the one I saved was a flood victom from katrina from lousianna.

soundguy

 

[Car Doc]

I was a rebuilder and used/salvage car dealer for many years.

Once I bought and rebuilt a theft recovery Tacoma nice v6 4wd automatic ext cab loaded up 70k miles only had one fender bent and it came out out of a fresh water sand pit so I thought I was ok going to get it on and make some money on this one.

NOT even close it was a nightmare from hail lucky a good friend bought it and knew he may have electrical trouble because I told him he probably would I had fixed everything I was aware of he knew that.

Well he only had one issue and that was an SRS seat belt retractor went shorted and turned the airbag lite on long story short never again.

I did make him a good usable truck and he still has it but thats the last under water one for me I didn't make any money on it whatsoever.

 

[mf2640man]

well as some one has said bent con rods are more than litly if she was runing also water damage to the head if she has turned enough to damage it

then i would say its juast a case of drying her out puting new big end and small end shells in and assesing any other damage with out seeing her and hearing her run its very dificult to say

ask the older lads around wich most probs will not be on this but they have seen it time and time again do not worry lad your not the onaly 1

 

[Soundguy]

a wet tractor with 5 wires and very basic elecricals on it and a wet truck loaded with electricals IMHO.. are 2 totally different things..

soundguy

 

[Powerstroke777]

a wet tractor with 5 wires and very basic elecricals on it and a wet truck loaded with electricals IMHO.. are 2 totally different things..

soundguy

Yup. A Massy 135 and a Toyota tocoma are 2 different things. No body computer on a Massy. I think the Tacoma got off easy.

 

[Soundguy]

yep.. the average old tractor from the 50's might have a starter, generator and voltage regulator as electricals.. plus a few switches and a relay or two..

chances are ALL but the switches could be salvaged with prompt cleaning...

not always so with things on printed circuit boards hidden all over the vehicle..

soundguy