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I have approx 30 ac of hay field and pasture that has never been plowed or anything. hay production is way down even with lime and fert. would a subsoiler help? how when is the best time to use it. i realiy dont want to tear up the field.how close do you make passes. thanks in advance
 
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A great deal depends on soil type, structure, and conditions. Around these parts, best time to deep rip is the fall when ground is relatively dry. Subsoilers do their best when they shatter soil rather than simply ripping a groove through the hardpan. That shattering effect doesn't occur when soil is wet and muddy. If all works according to plan, there is just a little disturbance of the surface. Most of the action takes place underground.

In this area, common practice is to rip 30" to 36" apart IF soil conditions are right.

Subsoiling helps in many ways, primarily drainage. Excessive rain water runs THROUGH the ground into the water table, instead of running off. That run-off usually carries away your fertilizer and soil nutrients, as well as some of the top soil. As an added benifit, plants can root deeper once the hardpan is broken. That lets them reach that subsurface moisture in hot dry weather.

Pastures and hayfields are almost always compacted. Animals compact soil worse than tractors and equipment, but even simply running over a hayfield with tractor/mower, tractor/rake, tractor/baler, tractor/wagon, tractor/fertilizer spreader, ect, you're packing the soil more than normal freeze/thaw soil heaving can deal with. Pasture renovators and aerifiers have become popular in recent years. They do SOME of the job, but NOTHING like a deep subsoiling at 10"-12" maybe even 20".
 
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Good reply FWJ. In this area they not only subsoil....but follow that with plowing. Then fertilizer is is applied in the fall when the ground is worked down for the final time and let lay over the winter.
 
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Before ripping the field you might get want to get your county agent involved and do some testing. At least youll have a clear picture of whats wrong.
 
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jimg said:
Before ripping the field you might get want to get your county agent involved and do some testing. At least youll have a clear picture of whats wrong.

That should be SOP in regards to most anything done to crop land, hay ground, even pastures. Soil ph and micro-nutrients play an important role in how plants uses that NP&K available to them. If the ph is off, plants won't even try to use that expensive fertilizer. A GOOD County Agent/AG Extention Service will even be able to accurately gauge to what degree the soil is compacted, if it truely is. Best to go in to things with a game plan and not take pot shots in the dark.

I signed up last night for a UK Dept of Agriculture short course on turf renovation that'll be run by our county AG extention office. Three 2-hour presentations starting Feb 28th. Their testing results can be even more valuable when I'm on the same page as they are. These folks are there for our benifit. Use 'em!
 
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Yup! Its surprising though how many (in my area at least) just throw stuff on the field hoping for an intended effect. Given the cost of inputs I think you cant do too much of that!

Wished our county/state had good stuff like your renovation class. Hay field day is about as good as it gets though.
 
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jimg said:
Yup! Its surprising though how many (in my area at least) just throw stuff on the field hoping for an intended effect. Given the cost of inputs I think you cant do too much of that!

Wished our county/state had good stuff like your renovation class. Hay field day is about as good as it gets though.

This is one of those rare moments where "Over-urbanization" is actually of some benefit. We were once a VERY rural area. Tobacco farms and dairy/beef farms with the occasional small acreage owners scattered around. In the last 10 years, this place is turning into subdivisions, "ranchettes", and golf courses. The increase of population and large numbers of 5 and 10 acre horse farms means a lot of tax money from the area and a lot of state AG dept interest in maintaining "good karma" with those folks. So we get all sorts of Univ of Ky programs that weren't available to the farmers until the farmers weren't really farmers any longer (if that makes any sense)

I've been through one of these turf programs already. At the end of each session, there's a 15 to 20 minute Q&A. 9 times out of 10, they'll be more about how to get shed of dandilions in the lawn than about forage crops. sigh.....

Free refreshments afterwards and usually a hat or a calender.
 
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>>So we get all sorts of Univ of Ky programs that weren't available to the
>>farmers until the farmers weren't really farmers any longer (if that makes
>> any sense)
I understand that...but it doesnt make any sense. Im in one of those rural areas thats nearly all farms and one county agent. The other agent was recently moved to another county. A few counties up they have plenty of agents/$/programs for ridding the suburban yard of weeds. Glad youre getting some benefit! :)
 
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thanks for replys. soil samples have been done. ph in hay fields is good. need lime in pastures. hay fields all in good range of nutriunts. i havent had soil tested for compaction. with all things pointing to good still poor growth. maybe it is type of grass. but i have many differant types. i would like to try a subsoiler because most of my hay field slope towards my pond and that may help with nutriunts running off. would it also help in summer drought?
 
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If it breaks up the hardpan to let water deeper in the soil profile and promotes root growth it could help some in a drought. I have seen people use subsoilers when the ground was really wetter than it should have been to get the the "shattering" effect run the subsoiler crosswise back across the feild X'ing it. I am not certain that would help or not. The theory they where working on was simply to get the best breakup and aeration that they could. These other guys probably know quite a bit more about it than I do though.
 

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