SUV vs. Pick-up

   / SUV vs. Pick-up #81  
Diamondpilot said:
So now you are backtracking. Lol.... Maybe its just that your Dodges brakes are so poor the trailer on will help it? Maybe its time for a REAL truck old buddy!
Obviously you can't read as the Dodge had the best brakes in that test. My brakes are fine.
Also, no back tracking here. I never said a loaded trailer can stop faster, only that an empty trailer shouldn't add considerable distance to stopping. Obviously, it's your brakes that can't stop as well with a trailer connected and is getting pushed around.
 
   / SUV vs. Pick-up #82  
I don't get it. Even if you could lock your brakes, why would you want to? You'll ruin your tires....just like your video "evidence". When you lock up your trailer brakes the trailer can and will skid sideways. Plus a locked brake is not slowing you down as much as maximum brake application without lock up. Either way I still believe your setting your gain too high. If your trailer pulls you back on normal brake application you risk locking up in an emergency or with the lose of traction from gravel, rain or whatever else.
 
   / SUV vs. Pick-up #83  
Dmace you just gave yourself a little redemption. Think about it this way as well. If it were possible for a 5000 lb trailer to be remote controlled without a tow vehicle, it would take a further distance to stop than a vehicle of the same weight. This is due to several physical differences such as poorer traction tires, lack of ABS, undamped suspension (lack of shocks and tuning, and wheel placement. During a hard stop, the tongue weight increases from the static amount as the axles act as a pivot point. This pivot affect, reduces the weight on the front tires of the TV because of the increased tongue weight which greatly reduces stopping distance. Remember, most of the stopping energy takes place on the front wheels. Weight distubution hitchs help but are set while the trailer and TV are static all while this pivot takes place dynamically.

The website you posted shows the 2000 lb weight loaded in the bed of a 3/4 and 1 ton HD pickup. The weight distribution of the load is properly placed and spread over both axles which allows for impressive numbers. A 2000 pound trailer with approxiamately 250 lbs of tongue weight would definately be more than a 6 feet difference for the reasons listed above. Realize 250 lbs of tongue weight located well behind the axle is much different than 250 lbs well distributed between front and rear axles.

As far as me owning a foreign truck?, you forget so quickly. I drive a 2011 F150 ecoboost screw. I remember you creating equal conflict on someones thread who was undecided between the ecoboost and the 5.0 liter and you brought Dodge into the picture. Yes my previous truck was a Dodge which served me well but decided that the current line up didn't measure up to the Ford (personal opinion). I am not brand loyal, just a smart consumer buying what I think is right at the time. BTW, Foreign (Toyota) was ranked second on my list when shopping this time. Those who are brand loyal, are missing out when the competetion clearly makes a better item at the time of purchase.

I agree 100% (i know it is unbelievable), trailer brakes should be more powerful on all trailers even the small ones.

If indeed your continued claim of "my truck and empty trailer combo can stop just as fast as a truck alone" is true, then Diamondpilot and I are both trying to help by telling you that something must be wrong with your TV and it should be checked out for your and the publics safety.

Sorry to the OP that this got off topic for a bit, but I don't want to see someone get hurt because of people being misleading.
 
   / SUV vs. Pick-up #84  
I don't get it. Even if you could lock your brakes, why would you want to? You'll ruin your tires....just like your video "evidence". When you lock up your trailer brakes the trailer can and will skid sideways. Plus a locked brake is not slowing you down as much as maximum brake application without lock up. Either way I still believe your setting your gain too high. If your trailer pulls you back on normal brake application you risk locking up in an emergency or with the lose of traction from gravel, rain or whatever else.

You are correct, skidding tires are unsafe.

The proper way to adjust the gain it to drive approximately 25 mph, using the "squeeze lever" apply full squeeze at full gain and if the trailer brakes lock up (as mentioned, most of the time they won't on a loaded trailer), then back off the gain. Repeat process again until the gain is set as high as possible without locking the tires. As road conditions change, such as rain, you must repeat this process.

This will assure the safest but sometimes less comfortable setting in the event of a panic stop because this is the setting for a maximum braking event. Less comfortable, because this usually makes the trailer do much of the stopping during routine stops. That is why I don't like Brake contollers that are just based off of the Brake light circuit of the TV rather than inertia sensing brake controllers. These cheaper brake controllers apply this maximum gain setting during routine stops as well forcing drivers to turn down the gain to prevent this aggressive braking when you basically want to gently brake to a stop most of the time. This is dangerous because now you have it set for comfort rather than emergency.
Jeff
 
   / SUV vs. Pick-up #85  
While on the subject of foreign trucks amigo, where was your Dodge built? Toyota Tundra is built right here in Indiana and Texas. My Nissan Titan was built in Mississippi.

Adios

Chris
 
   / SUV vs. Pick-up #86  
Diamondpilot said:
While on the subject of foreign trucks amigo, where was your Dodge built? Toyota Tundra is built right here in Indiana and Texas. My Nissan Titan was built in Mississippi.

Adios

Chris
It was built in the 51st state, Mexico. ;-)
At least it was designed by someone speaking english. How's that heavy duty Toyota/Nissan coming among...?

The point I was making about locking the tires was that if you cannot, then how do you know how well they're working? The brakes should work right up to the point of locking but not lock. If you can't lock them up at full gain then how do you know they are working right up to that point of locking? Confusing, I know.
 
   / SUV vs. Pick-up #87  
It was built in the 51st state, Mexico. ;-)
At least it was designed by someone speaking english. How's that heavy duty Toyota/Nissan coming among...?

The point I was making about locking the tires was that if you cannot, then how do you know how well they're working? The brakes should work right up to the point of locking but not lock. If you can't lock them up at full gain then how do you know they are working right up to that point of locking? Confusing, I know.

So Japanese (non english speeking) automobile engineers are not as good as American Engineers? I would currently rank them equal but a few years ago the Japanese were teaching us a few things in that field. Wish it weren't true but I bet most would agree.

Maybe it was siesta time when they were supposed to install or adjust the brakes on your vehicle and that is why you are experiencing these abnormal conditions. Sorry I couldn't resist.

Be careful, I am intimidated by some of the Tundras and I drive a Ford. :)
 
   / SUV vs. Pick-up #88  
But if I ran synthetic oil (especially Amsoil) wouldn't my trailer brakes be able to stop my truck and the truck next to me? Oops, wrong thread......

Sorry, had to do it ;)
 
   / SUV vs. Pick-up #89  
But if I ran synthetic oil (especially Amsoil) wouldn't my trailer brakes be able to stop my truck and the truck next to me? Oops, wrong thread......

Sorry, had to do it ;)

No!!! You got it backwards. If you used synthetic oil, nothing would be able to stop within 100 yards of you, everything would be too slick!:laughing::laughing:
 
   / SUV vs. Pick-up #90  
Dmace said:
It was built in the 51st state, Mexico. ;-)
At least it was designed by someone speaking english. How's that heavy duty Toyota/Nissan coming among...?

The point I was making about locking the tires was that if you cannot, then how do you know how well they're working? The brakes should work right up to the point of locking but not lock. If you can't lock them up at full gain then how do you know they are working right up to that point of locking? Confusing, I know.

I would like you to go to a rv dealer or boat dealer and hitch up a real load, empty of course, and try to lock them up as you stated YOU STATE LAW REQUIRED DURING INSPECTION, and report back on that.

I am patient, I will wait. Even my units with disc brakes and electric over hydraulic systems will not do it. These disc brakes are easily 50% better than any drum brake that will fit into the same wheels. Space is the limit. Just like the older tech trucks or low end newer ones with rear drum brakes they can not hold a candle to disc brakes.

Chris
 

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