Synthetic Engine Oil Base Stocks

   / Synthetic Engine Oil Base Stocks #61  
This leads me to wonder what SOPUS 'synthetic' Group III base stock actually is (chemically)? In fact, one would think it would be more expensive to polymerize methane (natural gas) into a base lubricating oil than the ethylene/decene gases used to make PAO.

Cost probably depends on what fraction they're using for it and if it was previously a waste product. If you're already making $ off part of a product and throwing part away, which is by definition 100% loss on the discarded portion, then you find a way to cut the loss to <100% by selling the waste, then that's a winner....
 
   / Synthetic Engine Oil Base Stocks #62  
Learned gentlemen:
I have carefully read this whole thread. It made my brain hurt, and I am a Techie type with oil refinery lab experience.

I like simple answers. Complex answers just confuse me. So my conclusion from all that I have read here is just to use Rotella T6 (10-30) oil from wally world in my little 3 cyl diesel Kubota..and change it at 200 hour intervals, with the filter included. Is that a fair conclusion, would you say?
Is that a simple and correct answer? Kubota brand oil is way too needlessly expensive IMO.

jix - AFAIK, T6 does not come in 10W30. The 10W30 you've seen on the shelf is probably Shell's conventional "T". If you want synth. 10W30, consider PCan's Duron.

Diesel Engine Oils, DURON-E | Petro-Canada

Rotella T6 in 5W40 is a popular oil for many applications.

Rgds, D.
 
   / Synthetic Engine Oil Base Stocks #63  
Well, in the final analysis, I am not convinced that what group base oil is has all that much to do with how long an engine will last. I have taken a couple of Cummins diesels to well over 1 million miles, one of them to 1.4 million, without major repairs, on a conventional Group II Kendall 15w40. My dad took a 1974 Pontiac Catalina to over 250,000 miles on a conventional straight 30w, year round. I run my diesels across the upper tier of the U.S., Ontario and Quebec, year round, on a 15w40 Schaeffer syn blend (25% PAO 75% Group II+) and get fantastic oil sample results doing 25,000 mile / 500 hr oil changes, and no engine related down time except for normal maintenance like valve adjustments and such. No reason to expect that the engines will not give me the same 1 million plus miles before any issues.

Now, all that being said, it is going to be a tough sell to convince me that a boutique PAO oil that costs twice as much or more is going to do a whole lot better. I have seen engines on synthetics that had issues on an equal level with those on conventional base oils. The add pack has as much or more to do with things as the base oil. PAO base oil is great, but it is not the savior of the world. It has it's limitations also. And irregardless of the marketing behind it to convince folks that it is the cure for all our ills, how folks maintain and operate their engines has more to do with longevity than anything else.

Just pick up on a quality motor oil at meets the specs your engine needs, at the best cost you can. No reason to overthink the issue. Group III, Group IV, GTL, who cares. They will all exceed anything your engine needs.
 
   / Synthetic Engine Oil Base Stocks
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#64  
I hear ya, cowpie1. I just wish we could make an informed decision is all.

The engineer in me makes me all OCD about it. ;)
 
   / Synthetic Engine Oil Base Stocks #65  
Yeah, feel that. I have had my moments overthinking stuff in the past. Oil was one of them. A lot of experience, a lot of engines, and I have taken a broader perspective over the years.
 

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