T273 -what will be next problem?

   / T273 -what will be next problem? #31  
Its not that we are all the simpletons you portray us as (well maybe we are?) but it is likely we don't see the majority of the problems brought up as significant. Especially for the price point. That is not to say that your backhoe issue is not significant because it is. The fact is that you chose a dealer too far away because nothing close was impressing you and now it has become extremely cumbersome, frustrating and expensive to deal with the issues which have come up. FYI- I actually even thought about buying from the same dealer you did and I am in Nebraska.

Its tough to say what I would do in your position. For one thing, this forum speaks loudly and is an obvious medium where people come to place themselves in a position holding more perceived power than pre-internet days. That said, I doubt you are going to be able to squawk loud enough for TYM without some sort of legal action behind it. But specifically addressing the backhoe (which has yet to be determined the problem?) that is not a TYM product. My next steps would be to find the root problem, document it well and be persistent in getting the issue resolved with either TYM or LITW.

For the OP:

If the HST creep causes an inspection to fail and the user is not allowed to do the adjustment themselves all I can say to that is WOW. Wish I could help but I would do the adjustment anyway. Sounds like legal action may be your only option?

For Flyer:

For reflection, you might take a look back at your first few posts on this board and see who sounds "well Golly-Gee Buckwheat ... I'm happy with mine"! :)

Am I perfectly happy with mine? NOPE. Some of what I call the little things are what piss me off the most. But, I made enough $ in tractor work this summer alone to pay for the new TYM BT200 backhoe which recently dug the footings for my new steel building.

Good luck to both of you..

I had hoped to be more clear that "I would be right there with you" .... as a happy TYM owner, and 'I' would be able to understand how to connect the golly gee buckwheat dots ....... if I hadn't had any problems.
I think you are taking my post personally (possibly as a result of the lack of it being an eye to eye conversation when I wrote it) but if you re-read it I 'think/hope' you can see my intent was not to diss you guys.

Absolutely I 'was' a happy TYM camper for the first 40 hours of operation and wrote about it in the forum.
Now I am truly sorry if my initial posts had any impact whatsoever in persuading 'anybody' to buy a TYM product in any way, and I am hoping my initial enthusiasm is now better balanced for any current prospective TYM buyers.

In my case ... it's almost 100% sure that the tractor rear remote's return is intermittently dead heading, and taking out the hoe's O-rings.

Anybody here want to let me try their hoe to see if it will blow out the O-rings, so I can further test this out? :)
Anybody here want to pay for the difference between the LITW hoe and a TYM hoe to see if that works? :)
Anybody want to cover the cost for a trailer and gas to drive from central Ca. to N.Oregon and back, with whatever hotel costs for the duration of repairs that may or may not be effected at the dealer due to the intermittant nature of the issue.
Anybody want to invest $700+ more to buy a pump/tank to bypass a problem in a $18K product, that is under warranty for this issue when it has a (albeit small at this point) chance it won't fix anything?
Yeah ...... me neither. :-(

Ya know ..... if I distributed a product with a 5 year warranty, that had these hurdles for a customer to deal with in the event of similar significant issue, I think I would probably be 'less out of pocket' than if I had a real service network to deal with them, knowing that in the lack of same, the dealer would bear the lion's share of the issues, and labor being done (at no expense to me) by the owner, would I not?
I have a Monaco 40' diesel pusher motorcoach.
They have only two factory service centers in the US .......... 'and' a network of independent service centers that can obtain authorization to effect repairs if one of the factory centers is not close ....... at very little, to no additional cost to them.
Like TYM, JD, Mahrinda and others ..... they all pull their parts out of the same bins.
But Monaco is (plus or minus the current economy) committed to it for the long haul.
TYM doesn't have this agreement with other tractor service centers...... and I sincerely wonder why??

All us TYM owners will all be in the exact boat at some time.
Your TYM 'will' at some point need significant service.
Hopefully you will have had your $18K (or whatever price you are optioned to) of time/use out of it when it requires something beyond a bolt-on part, or you will be living/working near a dealer that can .... and will 'still' .... take care of the problem for you.

I definitely should'a bought a tractor with local service/support, but I'm not alone.
I am confident that time is 'absolutely' on my side of this debate.
Reading the forum has (over this past year) been proving this to be correct, as more former "Golly Gee's" (like my self) become more "TYM initiated". ;-)
 
   / T273 -what will be next problem? #32  
I had hoped to be more clear that "I would be right there with you" .... as a happy TYM owner, and 'I' would be able to understand how to connect the golly gee buckwheat dots ....... if I hadn't had any problems.
I think you are taking my post personally (possibly as a result of the lack of it being an eye to eye conversation when I wrote it) but if you re-read it I 'think/hope' you can see my intent was not to diss you guys.

Absolutely I 'was' a happy TYM camper for the first 40 hours of operation and wrote about it in the forum.
Now I am truly sorry if my initial posts had any impact whatsoever in persuading 'anybody' to buy a TYM product in any way, and I am hoping my initial enthusiasm is now better balanced for any current prospective TYM buyers.

In my case ... it's almost 100% sure that the tractor rear remote's return is intermittently dead heading, and taking out the hoe's O-rings.

Anybody here want to let me try their hoe to see if it will blow out the O-rings, so I can further test this out? :)
Anybody here want to pay for the difference between the LITW hoe and a TYM hoe to see if that works? :)
Anybody want to cover the cost for a trailer and gas to drive from central Ca. to N.Oregon and back, with whatever hotel costs for the duration of repairs that may or may not be effected at the dealer due to the intermittant nature of the issue.
Anybody want to invest $700+ more to buy a pump/tank to bypass a problem in a $18K product, that is under warranty for this issue when it has a (albeit small at this point) chance it won't fix anything?
Yeah ...... me neither. :-(

Ya know ..... if I distributed a product with a 5 year warranty, that had these hurdles for a customer to deal with in the event of similar significant issue, I think I would probably be 'less out of pocket' than if I had a real service network to deal with them, knowing that in the lack of same, the dealer would bear the lion's share of the issues, and labor being done (at no expense to me) by the owner, would I not?
I have a Monaco 40' diesel pusher motorcoach.
They have only two factory service centers in the US .......... 'and' a network of independent service centers that can obtain authorization to effect repairs if one of the factory centers is not close ....... at very little, to no additional cost to them.
Like TYM, JD, Mahrinda and others ..... they all pull their parts out of the same bins.
But Monaco is (plus or minus the current economy) committed to it for the long haul.
TYM doesn't have this agreement with other tractor service centers...... and I sincerely wonder why??

All us TYM owners will all be in the exact boat at some time.
Your TYM 'will' at some point need significant service.
Hopefully you will have had your $18K (or whatever price you are optioned to) of time/use out of it when it requires something beyond a bolt-on part, or you will be living/working near a dealer that can .... and will 'still' .... take care of the problem for you.

I definitely should'a bought a tractor with local service/support, but I'm not alone.
I am confident that time is 'absolutely' on my side of this debate.
Reading the forum has (over this past year) been proving this to be correct, as more former "Golly Gee's" (like my self) become more "TYM initiated". ;-)

The closest TYM dealer to you is in Oregon? It's my understanding that you can take it to any TYM dealer for warranty work. I was also told by a TYM dealer that if there are none in your area they will work with non-TYM dealers for warranty work. Granted this was all said by a TYM dealer/salesperson from another state than mine that I was getting a quote from so I'm not sure how true it is. My suggestion is to become a thorn in their side if you're not getting satisfaction. Email/call whomever you can daily and document your issues in as much detail as you can(like who you called/contacted and when and how many times). You may also want to consider filing a complaint with the Better Business Bureau or contacting your local District Attorney for suggestions. If you manage to get anyone's ear at TYM I'd also include a link to this site showing the complaints. Also, I'd go to any and all TYM forums I could find and reiterate your issues and maybe you'll get lucky and someone from TYM will respond (or at the least it will make potential future purchasers aware of possible problems). Good Luck and keep us updated if anything changes.
 
   / T273 -what will be next problem? #33  
I have had everything on the list happen plus a cracked battery tray. I have 300 hours on my 273. I also have the tym backhoe which has worked great with no mechanical problems but it takes hours to remove and reinstall.
 
   / T273 -what will be next problem? #34  
I have had everything on the list happen plus a cracked battery tray. I have 300 hours on my 273. I also have the tym backhoe which has worked great with no mechanical problems but it takes hours to remove and reinstall.

Hours? I can get mine on and off in about 10 minutes without hurrying.
 
   / T273 -what will be next problem? #35  
Hours? I can get mine on and off in about 10 minutes without hurrying.

Me too, maybe ours are screwed up....? :D I'm gonna call TYM and find out why exactly ours are so easy!
 
   / T273 -what will be next problem? #36  
I have had everything on the list happen plus a cracked battery tray. I have 300 hours on my 273. I also have the tym backhoe which has worked great with no mechanical problems but it takes hours to remove and reinstall.

Could you address why it takes so long to remove/install your backhoe? I bet we can help you cut that time down quite a lot.
 
   / T273 -what will be next problem? #37  
Sorry it took so long to reply. (Been building a still, now that it is legal here)
I have tried everything to get the backhoe off with help from others. I level the tractor with the outriggers, pull the rear pins and drive forward. It will usually take 20+ attemps and a jack under the B.H. front mount, to get it off. I have tried using the B.H. to pull itself from the mounts, with no luck.
 
   / T273 -what will be next problem? #38  
It also takes me some time to put back on you really seem to have it lined up perfectly it seems that the back hoe frame hits on the 2 link connectors on the bottom of the rear axle on each side. Coming off I think is pretty easy but I have only done this twice maybe practice makes perfect ?? I am open to suggestions.
 
   / T273 -what will be next problem? #39  
So, do you just level it up and then disconnect the hoses? You really need to use the bucket, boom and outriggers to get it lifted enough to relieve the pressure on the connecting points (caused by the bh weight), pull the pins, drive the tractor forward a bit to see that it is indeed clearing the attachment points, and then shutdown and disconnect the hoses (after wiggling them to relieve the hydro pressure). Then drive off. The bh should self support long enough to get some blocking under/around it if it needs it. A little longer going on if you do it alone because you have to (at least I have to) get on and off a few times to make sure I'm not whacking the hydro lines with the frame of the bh. Other than that it is pretty much a reverse order drill of taking it off.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
I'm assuming there is no damage to your system or a factory tolerance error that is preventing the above sequence from working. If something has been bent or mis-manufactured, that is an issue for you to take up with your dealer.
 
   / T273 -what will be next problem? #40  
Thanks for your replies. I follow the exact sequence, to remove the BH, as you do. I think I will check all the tolorances on the frames.
 

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