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[ToolcatWonka5610]

For now. It's getting very warm here in Florida.

I do something like that.
Here in Michigan summers are humid and hot. I'm one of those guys with long hair (its the thing now) I like to keep it long in the extremely cold winter.
When summer comes I have my hair cut from the top of my ears down.

The First pic is me Back in January testing a TYM 603 Cab tractor.
The second is me taken about 10 minutes ago.

 

[MossRoad]

This is the real me, taken 2 days ago. For security reasons, this picture will be removed in 24 hr.

I am not in a rest home yet.

Nice head O' hair! I got about 7 left!!!

 

[MossRoad]

I routinely exceed the lift arm capacity without puckering. I do want to try seeing how much water I can lift to see if my pumps etc are working as they should. But I think they are given the size of my bucket and how much clay and gravel weigh. But the bucket geometry definitely makes a difference in how much i can lift. I can struggle to get the bucket a foot or so off of the ground but once there, it lifts fine.

Ken

O.K. I get it now. I just assumed the larger units were just exploded versions of the smaller units. The geometry must be different, too. Our PT425 has never had the reliefs trigger that I know of on the lift arms. Either it lifts the load or the rear comes off the ground. The curl function is crazy powerful, too. I can pry the rear off the ground. I have bent the forks several times prying on stuff, too. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[J_J]

I routinely exceed the lift arm capacity without puckering. I do want to try seeing how much water I can lift to see if my pumps etc are working as they should. But I think they are given the size of my bucket and how much clay and gravel weigh. But the bucket geometry definitely makes a difference in how much i can lift. I can struggle to get the bucket a foot or so off of the ground but once there, it lifts fine.

Ken

Ken,

Maybe you know this already, but if you get a good load with bucket flat, and have trouble lifting it, if the bucket is tilted all the way back, you can lift more. It changes the center of gravity on the bucket.

 

[SpringHollow]

Hi JJ,

On mine it is strange - tilted forward more lets it lift more. It is a balancing act between getting it to lift and losing some of the load. Obviously, I could take smaller bites.

Ken

 

[J_J]

O.K. I get it now. I just assumed the larger units were just exploded versions of the smaller units. The geometry must be different, too. Our PT425 has never had the reliefs trigger that I know of on the lift arms. Either it lifts the load or the rear comes off the ground. The curl function is crazy powerful, too. I can pry the rear off the ground. I have bent the forks several times prying on stuff, too. Thanks for clearing that up.

David,

That brings up another point. Some people add weight to the back of the PT, and that allows one to lift more. Those cylinders are capable of lifting quite a bit more. If those cylinders were lifting at a 90 degree angle, you would also notice a big difference.

2 in cyl, 1 in rod, 3000 psi, push force=9,425 lbs, pull force=7,069 lbs @ 90 degrees

Same cylinder, mounted at 45 degrees push=6,664 lbs, pull=4,998 lbs.

This is computed where the rod is connected to the arm. Then the further out you try and lift, the lift force is reduced, so the lifting force that PT states, is based on the supposedly safe lifting force, at the pin holes.

If you were to mount that cylinder on a metal plate, theoretically, you could lift 9,425 lbs straight up, or lay it down and push side to side.

 

[MossRoad]

David,

That brings up another point. Some people add weight to the back of the PT, and that allows one to lift more. Those cylinders are capable of lifting quite a bit more. If those cylinders were lifting at a 90 degree angle, you would also notice a big difference.

2 in cyl, 1 in rod, 3000 psi, push force=9,425 lbs, pull force=7,069 lbs @ 90 degrees

Same cylinder, mounted at 45 degrees push=6,664 lbs, pull=4,998 lbs.

This is computed where the rod is connected to the arm. Then the further out you try and lift, the lift force is reduced, so the lifting force that PT states, is based on the supposedly safe lifting force, at the pin holes.

If you were to mount that cylinder on a metal plate, theoretically, you could lift 9,425 lbs straight up, or lay it down and push side to side.

Yes. I was researching the hydraulic forces when designing my backhoe. If we didn't have to use levers the forces would be HUGE! Those calculators at Surplus Center were really handy.

 

[J_J]

Hi JJ,

On mine it is strange - tilted forward more lets it lift more. It is a balancing act between getting it to lift and losing some of the load. Obviously, I could take smaller bites.

Ken

Ken, can you take a picture of your bucket from the side. You should always be able to tilt more than you can lift, because you are applying full cylinder pressure to the bucket using pull force, and if that cylinder is a 2 in cyl with a 1 in rod. you should be applying about 9.425 lbs to the bucket. if the geometry is correct. almost like a square. Now, the geometry on Carl's bucket is not balanced. Are the legs on your rollover assembly equal. If the arms are equal, you are pushing on the cylinder to make the top tilt arm pull back at 9,425 lbs, which will tilt the bucket up. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[SpringHollow]

No sideways pictures with the bucket (the attachment plate needs to be rewelded - at the current angle of attachment, i can not dump fully). I only get about 90 degrees of angle rotation on the FEL - i will measure it sometime.

Here is a picture of my dirt blade attached.

Ken

 

[J_J]

No sideways pictures with the bucket (the attachment plate needs to be rewelded - at the current angle of attachment, i can not dump fully). I only get about 90 degrees of angle rotation on the FEL - i will measure it sometime.

Here is a picture of my dirt blade attached.

Ken

Ken,

I notice that the bottom leg of your rollover assembly is longer than the top part. This will give you a mechanical advantage, but the linkage to bucket hook up seems wrong. I have a variable tilt leg going to my bucket, and the reason for this is that certain attachments, have different spacing on the upper and lower lugs for the 3 pt hook-up. I have even used one of those adjustable 3pt top links for the tilt leg, but I would not trust it to much. I think I would try and find the correct length for the bucket to rotate to the degree that you want. I have made several different length for different things, I know the one leg will not work good for everything.

That is a nice 3pt adapter you have. Is your blade difficult to push fwd, or do you always drag it in reverse?