TC24DA FEL question and sharpening blades ?

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PatC

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38 hours of experience here. Real apprehensive when I bought about removing FEL. Had dealer walk me through it and he had a little problem getting it back on even though he did not back away but just enough to loosen without removing hoses. So I was thinking (dangerous I know), what would be wrong with me removing the bucket only and leaving all the other FEL stuff attached. That looks much easier. Why am I thinking about removing? Mowing in the yard yard would be much easier. (No damage to tree trunks lol). Also have a 60"mmm w/ rd and I have taken it off and put back on to do some tilling w/o a lot of problem. Came off far easier, but should be easier next time.

2nd question. Do most remove the mmm first and then remove blades or remove blades with mmm still attached to tractor when sharpening blades. Told you I was new at this. I did try to read prior post before asking this question but did not find anything on point.
 
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PatC,
If you look at the time involved removing and re-installing the bucket vs removing the whole loader, you'll probably see that the whole thing comes off and goes back on with less time and effort.
I remove/re-install the FEL every time I mow.

I only sharpen the blades once a season. Right before the MMM gets mounted in the spring. So......I sharpen them while the deck is off.
 
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Pat,

I have the same tractor/loader, however I use a RFM because I have a backhoe w/subframe brackets and the MMM would not work. Since I have some hills to mow and like to shed some weight to utilize the HP I frequently mount/dismount the loader. I think once you've done it enough times you'll be comfortable doing it. I know how I was the first couple of times! I've replaced the bracket that holds the steel hydraulic lines up front once already from not paying attention while pulling into the loader. The MAIN thing is to GO SLOW and PAY ATTENTION while you are pulling up or away from the loader. There is not much room between the arms. I think if you keep removing the bucket only, you'll end up wrecking the pins and/or the grease fittings. It's MUCH easier to remove the whole loader!

Take off the MMM to sharpen the blades so you have plenty of space to work in. Plus, you can really clean/lubricate the deck and it give you a good opportunity to inspect things better. If you don't have an impact wrench to get the blade bolts off, get one. Otherwise find something to protect your knuckles and fingers when loosening or tightening with a manual wrench.......one slip and goodbye finger/knuckle across and newly sharpend blade. I've seen it a hundred times! Well, maybe, once or twice.
 
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Hi Pat,
I think I owned my 1220 a year before I took the FEL off. It gets easier each time you do it. It helps a lot if you can remove it on a concrete or at least flat surface. It helps also if you have a stationary object in front of the bucket to put it back on, because you need to push into it. I remove mine and rest it on top my backhoe subframe and use the rear lower three point ears as a stop.

On the blade sharpening, I owned Cub Cadets for years and always just muscled the decks upside down onto a set of horses for blade removal. It gave you a great work sunface to clean, inspect and RR the blades. Well, when I ventured into my first compact tractor, I realized these implements could easily hurt you if you weren't careful. My old Woods RM59 weight of 450 Lbs (I could be off on that) could crush your foot or hand if not carefull so I always ask myself what are the risks when I moving these heavier implements around. On a heavier deck, I use a chainhoist after its off the tractor to flip it over, carefully and then do my blade changes.

I recently bought a $80, 880 Lb winch at Harbor Freight to replace the chainhoist, it's quicker, but I'm still learning the hazards there.

Take your time, enjoy your tractor, but be carefull!

Curt
 
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Pat,

It just takes experience. First couple of times can be a little frustrating, but you will get the hang of it and take it off every time you mow. Most important is to have a flat hard surface to park the FEL. I don't (yet) and can still do it in the yard, but the more level, the better. And don't forget that last step when you re-mount - fold up the kick stand! I've heard that is easy to forget /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I wouldn't get into taking the bucket on and off, doesn't really get you that much advantage as you will still have the weight of the arms and they still stick out in front. I find the TC-24 to be as easy as a very manuverable lawn tractor ideal for mowing when only the mmm is on.

The deck is the same thing - experience. One of the tricks I have learned is to set the rear wheels one click lower just before removal. The cushion lift system is set up to run the deck with a slight tilt forward, so if you are taking it off on a level floor with the wheels all set the same, there is still a load on the rear pins without making this adjustment. Play around with the settings a little until you find your pins loose enough to turn by hand before removing. When you put it back on, it will be much easier. Just remember to re-set the rear wheels back to the chart settings for whatever level you want to mow.

I sharpen my blades with the deck off. I move it around with the FEL, two chains, one to each hook on the FEL with a shackle on the deck. I run the shackle pin through the front mounting holes on the deck. I also remove the blades from the deck to sharpen, but you can touch them up either on the bench grinder or leave them on and use a right angle side grinder.

Just have a little patience and it will get easier. The way I look at, others do it everyday, why can't I!

Oh, one more thing. Now that summer is here, the one PITA with the FEL is building up pressure in the hydro lines if your FEL is parked out in the sun. You will never get the quick connects back together without first relieving the pressure. The first thing I do is to move the control handle in all directions with the tractor shut down prior to removal. That relieves any initial pressure from the normal operation. In the heat, I also hose down the black hydro lines with cold water prior to re-attaching. I also sometimes have to wrap the ends in a rag and push (hard) the nipple against a smooth flat surface, such as the bucket. I wrap them because it helps protect the nipple and the hydro fluid is at such high pressure it will shoot all over when released. Not a lot, but you don't want a shot of it in your face.

The pressure build-up is probably the biggest problem I have with getting the FEL back on.

Good luck.

Brad
 
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Well the FEL is off. Not as bad as I thought it might be. Of course I always have more trouble putting things on rather than taking them off.

Are you not suppose to cover the four couplings with something or is there a plug to attach while I mow and do other things to keep them from getting dirty? I covered the ends I removed with a clean shop rag and rubberband as I also use shop to play with table saw and router, no vacuum system yet.

I can see why the FEL is removed. Mowing will be a lot easier now and trees will really appreciate the removal.

Wife arrived home today from Florida vacation with her girlfriends and asked if tractor was broke down. I said no and she asked well whose blue lawnmower is that outside?. I told her I had removed FEL and she then wanted to know how much we are paying for the big blue lawnmower and my other toys? I know she likes it but I am afraid she is preparing me for her bills from Florida that will come in next months. Her response two hours later was she needed grit in a couple of beds where she was planting annuals and naturally I made up a good excuse because I am not ready to tackle putting it back on yet.
 
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There are plugs you can buy from the dealer and I think they are a good idea for keeping them clean during mowing. You could also probably get them at a supply store, although my local TSC didn't have any. I bought some for my 12LA loader from the dealer.

The NH part numbers on the package are as follows:

Bin AP35044S1011
Part 86532891

They come in a 4 pack and my dealer charged me $18. Pricey, but at least I have them now. These are only the plugs (male) for the tractor. They also have caps for the other half, but I have not picked those up yet.

Brad
 
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Hi Pat,

I've been meaning to pick up a set of the caps for my FEL Hydro lines also. I've been using a latex glove for lack of a better solution.

Curt
 
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You do that loader a few times and before you know it you can take it off and put back in less than 5 minutes. Just make sure you are on a level spot and it is simple.

murph
 
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mega.....how much trouble is removal of the backhoe?

dealer told me it would take about an hour to remove.

Can't wait till the TC24DA arrives next week! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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