I bought a Kioti so this one isn't an option. I guess I am just perplexed. They were two guys that treated me like I was nuts when I offered $600 less than what they were asking. He paid 12,200 at auction and paid an additional 10% buyers fee. He did replaced a cylinder on the power steering. I offered 16K and he turned me down. Not my problem now but I just find it strange.