TESLA Electric Truck?

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Rates depend on plan... many are Time of Use with Peak and Off Peak.

I had a bill and divided the total cost by kW used and it was well over 30 cents a kW...

Some say you should not include other fees like city taxes but I always take the total charge and divide by kW to get my number and California is the highest I have encountered outside Hawaii..

Many see the High Rates to be good as they serve as incentive to encourage alternatives such as solar.
 
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Loads are lower at night but coal power plants you can't just wind them down to idle. When one of our units got down to half capacity we often would have slag clog up where it goes into the monkey. for years we had a base load (aluminum smelter) next door that used about 400 MW around the clock. They wanted a cheaper rate and our CEO couldn't do it so we lost that load but sorta kept some of it just going through a middle man. They shut that plant for awhile but someone bought it and reopened some of it. We put in a bunch of natural gas for peaking many years ago. You can wind them up and down pretty fast.
 
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Had that off peak deal years ago, put in a transfer switch and ran my pool, AC and welder through it for half price. I could switch it over to full price during peak time if needed.
 
   / TESLA Electric Truck? #524  
I'm not sold on TESLA for several reasons. Some to do with their product but mostly to do with their business model and their reliance on government subsidies to stay afloat.

Anyway they are looking at producing a truck???


From the article: >>>Tesla recently released it痴 first venture towards the world of trucks with its Model X crossover a 600hp electric vehicle. The folks at TruckTrend.com took the crossover痴 features along with Tesla CEO Elon Musk痴 mentions over the years of developing a truck to speculate on what it might be.

While their concept doesn稚 look like anything that would show up on a jobsite at least not by anyone other than the lumber sales person or homeowner it痴 worth checking out. The likelihood of a battery-powered work truck might seem far fetched. But when you consider the Model X痴 features, it痴 not that far a stretch.

I like some of the features that TruckTrend dreamed up, especially the bed and tailgate design. Interesting stuff. We値l have to wait and see what Tesla comes up with and if it痴 something truly geared for construction, or for heading out on the town after a long workday. <<<<

An Electric Pickup Truck? - Tools of the Trade

Thoughts????



TBS

Back in 2016 when this thread started EV's were not something I ever thought would become a reality for the working man or be the lower cost option someday for vehicles but now in 2020 we can see the cross over to EV's from ICE power sources is a sure thing in the future.

Ashlee Vance's book from a few years ago about Elon Musk and his Tesla and SpaceX companies that I just read changed my mind as to the speed that technology is evolving and the greatness of the mind of Musk. Musk is not just making cars and space ships. He is reinventing how they are made. Going from over a mile of wiring in a typical car down to 350 foot total is just a small thing he is doing. Internet world wide by satellite is changing the world as well. EV's were the first cars but the batteries where a limiting factor before the electric grid was in place and due to their cost.

How fast technology is changing is enough to make one dizzy in 2020.

A brief history of electric cars: the most popular car of 19 - Curbed
 
   / TESLA Electric Truck?
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Back in 2016 when this thread started EV's were not something I ever thought would become a reality for the working man or be the lower cost option someday for vehicles but now in 2020 we can see the cross over to EV's from ICE power sources is a sure thing in the future.

Ashlee Vance's book from a few years ago about Elon Musk and his Tesla and SpaceX companies that I just read changed my mind as to the speed that technology is evolving and the greatness of the mind of Musk. Musk is not just making cars and space ships. He is reinventing how they are made. Going from over a mile of wiring in a typical car down to 350 foot total is just a small thing he is doing. Internet world wide by satellite is changing the world as well. EV's were the first cars but the batteries where a limiting factor before the electric grid was in place and due to their cost.

How fast technology is changing is enough to make one dizzy in 2020.

A brief history of electric cars: the most popular car of 19 - Curbed


You are absolutely right about that!
 
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All you have is piles: Now, we dance.
 
   / TESLA Electric Truck? #527  
Why not put the electricity directly into the EV?
That would require the creation of overhead powerlines like trains. But even when you use batteries to charge at your home, the infrastructure is insufficient to transport all household energy by copper cable. My brother in law has solar panels, in a sunny day his circuit breakers popped. It turned out 3 of the 12 houses in his block had solar panels, and they all fed into the same phase. Switching to another phase solved their problem, till another neighbour decides to get solar panels, and the entire block would need new underground wires.


And if storing electricity in an EV's battery is not cost prohibitive then why not for home use too?.
Theres too few ! Too few cobalt, neodymium, nickel, all the stuff that goes in batteries and/or permanent magnets. If we switch to electricity as our single power medium (its not a source: just like hydrogen, its a storage means) and store it all in batteries, prices of rare earth minerals, and metals that occur in ore as well, will skyrocket.

Electrolysis is by no stretch of the definition, "slightly lower efficiency". Is so bad the primary source of H2 is natural gas.
True. Though the primary source of electricity is coal.. which you could also use to generate electricity for electrolysis.
The conversion rate of electrolysis of water into oxygen and hydrogen, is about 80%. Its slightly less efficient than the battery charge and release losses, with just some platinum required, instead of a few 100 kg.


"Rare Earth minerals" are not rare. Furthermore these items are not consumed in a lithium battery or electric motor. Therefore are ripe for the picking come time for salvage. The only reason we do not mine "rare earths" in the USA is unreasoned bias by the EPA such as that exhibited by Renze.

...just re-read what you just wrote: Calling unreasoned bias, and an Ad Hominem in the same line :D

Rare earth minerals arent rare, they are just extremely diluted, unlike concentrated ore deposits of platinum for aforementioned fuel cell: the paydirt is washed in chemicals in which the rare earth minerals dissolve, then they are taken out of the chemical fluid. The paydirt is contaminated and a huge environmental hazard. THATS why it isnt mined in Western countries:

Rare-earth mining in China comes at a heavy cost for local villages | Environment | The Guardian

Now if we invest in molten salt reactors (which were abandoned in the 50s because the US government needed the nuclear waste of what we now see as a "conventional" reactor, for the nuclear aems race) we could have truely clean energy, the molten salt reactor is plugged by a cooled drainpipe: the cooling keeps the salt solid. when the power fails, like Fukushima or Chernobyl, the cooler stops, the salt plug in the drain pipe melts and the nuclear reaction stops. Furthermore, conventional reactors use 2% of the energy in the Uranium before it needs reprocessing, which is more expensive than getting new. However the molten salt reactor can use this nuclear waste: 30 years of nuclear waste of the lifecycle of a conventional reactor, contains 1200 years worth of energy to be released in a molten salt reactor.
 

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