Tesla semi

[houstonscott]

I own a 2010 BMW 335d. Easily breaks 40mpg on highway, and will dust a corvette. 425 foot pounds of torque. We're there.

 

[flusher]

I think you mean SR-71 or the A-12

Shell scientists did experiments and a book was even written,

"Fuel Economy of the Gasoline Engine" (ISBN 0-470-99132-1); it was published by John Wiley & Sons, New York, in 1977 One of the chief scientists quoted well over 300 mpg




here is a small discussion on some of the findings in the book
Shell Oil Company achieves 376.59 mpg in test car at Wood River Laboratory

Rumor has it that it has since been removed from the National archives or Library of Congress.?..


The car has been found that achieved 377 mpg:

Shell Oil's 377 MPG 1959 Opel - YouTube

Gasoline may have been (reformulated) and the vaporization has been reduced to the point that vapor carbs no longer are feasible.

There was an interview with one of the Shell scientists years ago that was involved with this project but I have not been able to find it so far.

also found a PR letter from Shell to an interested party, but the quoted mpg is (only) 297...

http://www.opel-p1.nl/custom/testcar/wo5778a.jpg

You can get impressive fuel mileage with an ICE-powered vehicle if you drive 15-20 mph to reduce drag and rolling friction. And you can get 1000 miles range out of a fully charged battery in an EV by doing the same.

 

[tomato coupe]

I own a 2010 BMW 335d. Easily breaks 40mpg on highway, and will dust a corvette. 425 foot pounds of torque. We're there.

Oh no, now you've done it! It's never a good idea to claim anything is faster than a Corvette, especially a diesel-powered German car.

 

[Redneck in training]

I own a 2010 BMW 335d. Easily breaks 40mpg on highway, and will dust a corvette. 425 foot pounds of torque. We're there.

Nope. It will do it if youi catch the Corvette driver sleeping. 335D makes 60 in 5.5 sec at best while Corvette Z6 does it in 3 sec.

 

[TemporaryKubotaOwnerMark]

You know those LTE networks get faster by adding antennas, it's not a speed per antenna increase you are imagining, that's getting mature.

Adding antennas is one method, among many. As practical matter, we are getting far more speed from CA than from MIMO.

As a more practical matter, until we have the backhaul to support it, it's all smoke and mirrors.

 

[TemporaryKubotaOwnerMark]

Tesla customers aren't investors, they're purchasing a commodity. Tesla customers tend to be very happy with the product. Calling Tesla a Ponzi scheme makes for a nice sound bite, but it's not an accurate portrayal of the situation.

Accurate? Not strictly so, but as a figure of speech, it's accurate enough. Musk has admitted they can't make a profit on their cars. Note that he has not said they haven't made a profit yet. He says they do not know how to make a profit.

The customers are being subsidized by tax breaks and gullible investors. Its not sustainable. Just like a Ponzi scheme, when the subsidies dry up, it will fold up.

It might work.

There's no reason to believe it would not.

The important thing to remember is, with the implementation of any revenue-neutral tax scheme, some people will pay higher taxes and some will pay lower taxes. Sales taxes, by nature, tend to be regressive taxes because wealthy people spend less of their income on goods. The Fair Tax tries to rectify this by giving rebates to the lowest income earners, but the wealthy will still come out ahead. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that, but if you implement a Fair Tax that is revenue neutral, then someone has to make up for the lower taxes paid by the wealthy.

A rich person will not be paying lower taxes than a middle or lower class person. They spend more, they will pay more. As a percentage of their revenue? Certainly, but what has that got to do with anything? Is the goal of taxation equal pain? Currently the few wealthy pay the majority of all taxes paid. It is a gross injustice.

In this case it looks like you are likely to pay more in taxes if you're in the lower-mid or middle income groups. I'm okay with that, but I know a lot of people who wouldn't be.

That's the point, really. A truly fair and open tax system (which our current system is not) will have everybody hurting, and finally facing the ugly truth of how much our government costs us.

If we collectively decide to continue that pain, at least we have done so with full knowledge of the price, instead of having it hidden by or current system, and unfairly laid mostly on the backs of the few, to the benefit of those who mostly do not produce anything of value.

 

[Egon]

You know those LTE networks get faster by adding antennas, it's not a speed per antenna increase you are imagining, that's getting mature.

Your talking about two whip antenna's with fox tail's on the rear fenders? Adding a continental kit will also help.

 

[vvanders]

Accurate? Not strictly so, but as a figure of speech, it's accurate enough. Musk has admitted they can't make a profit on their cars. Note that he has not said they haven't made a profit yet. He says they do not know how to make a profit.

The customers are being subsidized by tax breaks and gullible investors. Its not sustainable. Just like a Ponzi scheme, when the subsidies dry up, it will fold up.

Got a source for that juicy quote?

FWIW they've always said they would be profitable post Model 3 full production: Elon Musk: Tesla should be profitable after Model 3 arrives – The Mercury News

The margins are pretty good on the Model S(if I recall ~27% or so) but they decided to not stay at 100k cars a year and reinvest everything into growing the company.

Pretty similar to what he's doing with SpaceX which has been doing really well lately.

 

[tomato coupe]

Re: The Fair Tex

There's no reason to believe it would not (work).

You want to totally dismantle our present taxing system and replace it with something that has never been tried in this country, and you think there's NO reason to believe it might not work? Even a supporter of the Fair Tax has to admit that there is some risk associated with adopting it.

A rich person will not be paying lower taxes than a middle or lower class person. They spend more, they will pay more. As a percentage of their revenue? Certainly, but what has that got to do with anything? Is the goal of taxation equal pain? Currently the few wealthy pay the majority of all taxes paid. It is a gross injustice.

That's the point, really. A truly fair and open tax system (which our current system is not) will have everybody hurting, and finally facing the ugly truth of how much our government costs us.

You're missing the point. Any change made to the tax structure, when done in a revenue-neutral way, will result in some people paying more under the new system and some people paying less under the new system. In the case of the Fair Tax, the wealthy will see their taxes reduced, while the lower-mid to middle income will see their taxes go up. Whether or not the new system is more fair depends on who you ask. It might sound fair if you're wealthy, but probably not if you're lower-mid or middle income.

 

[ultrarunner]

Maybe, Ransom Olds might have manipulated the government, but I haven稚 seen the proof.

Hey, I resemble that remark with my 1905 Curved Dash Olds...