The Birth of Soot and Health Effects

[CarlGlas]

MikePA: Removed copyrighted material. Read article at the Union of Concerned Scientists listed below.

More: http://tinyurl.com/cbwr5

 

[CarlGlas]

There was no copyright infringement and the article was posted with permission of the editor.

 

[SnowRidge]

I don't know anything about the copyright issue here, but why use tinyurl? It is never needed with TBN's URL feature under Instant Markup. Example, go here to see the article. Using tinyurl creates an unnecessary redirect, and the tinyurl website itself is overloaded, often taking a long time to respond.

I mentioned this because I have seen several people using tinyurl lately.

 

[CarlGlas]

I don't know anything about the copyright issue here, but why use tinyurl? It is never needed with TBN's URL feature under Instant Markup. Example, go here to see the article. Using tinyurl creates an unnecessary redirect, and the tinyurl website itself is overloaded, often taking a long time to respond.

I mentioned this because I have seen several people using tinyurl lately.

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There is no copyright issue here. The only issue is someone's lack of knowledge.

Tiny URL is a DIRECT LINK to the source site. The operation of Tiny URL's website has nothing to do with the source site other than to create a Tiny URL for it.

 

[MikePA]

I have asked the owners of TBN to respond concerning copyrighted material since their opinion is the only one that counts.

 

[MossRoad]

When you click on the tinyurl link it opens a browser to tinyurl, then it does a re-direct to the url you want everyone to see. It is not a direct link. If the tinyurl site is running slow, which it has been known to do, it does cause a delay. Also, nobody has a clue as to where the tinyurl link will take them, as when you hover over it, it just tells you tinyurl/blabla. By using the URL feature of instant markup here on TBN, you avoid a re-direct at the tinyurl site, and users can see the URL that they will initially be taken to. You can also add some descriptive text to the URL so the users know what they are clicking on besides something that just says "Tinyurl". Hope this helps. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[CarlGlas]

Re: The Birth of Soot and Health Effects *DELETED*

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[Hakim]

TinyURL does use redirects. Below is an example of the process used.

From a practical sense, it probably makes little difference which method is used. I don't see why one would need TinyURL since we provide the web page URL link markup code right within the text composer box.

If the TinyURL web site is down or out of business, it is my understanding that the links would no longer work.

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TinyURL redirect (from O'ReillyNet)

so the first thing i did was submit the following URL, http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1303, and they returned http://tinyurl.com/sr66. not a huge reduction in size, but enough for you to see what they do. and when i chase the URL they returned, i wind up at the page i submited...

so the next thing i did was use wget to see what was actually going back and forth on the wire ... here's what i found

$ wget http://tinyurl.com/sr66
--14:29:19-- http://tinyurl.com/sr66
=> `sr66'
Resolving tinyurl.com... done.
Connecting to tinyurl.com[216.234.186.14]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1303 [following]
--14:29:19-- http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1303
=> `1303'
Resolving www.oreillynet.com... done.
Connecting to www.oreillynet.com[208.201.239.37]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]

[ <=> ] 19,325 36.79K/s

14:29:20 (36.79 KB/s) - `1303' saved [19325]

so looking closely at what happened, wget chased http://tinyurl.com/sr66, only to have the server return a 302 and another URL, http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1303. a 302 response code means, in essence, that the server understands what you're asking for, but wants you to know it's temporarily someplace else, and that place is at this URL i'm handing you. so the user-agent (read: browser, or more properly, http-client) should now rerequest the document from this new location. which of course is what wget does, returning the final target document.
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[Muhammad]

No worries if you had permission from the copyright holder. We usually err on the side of caution to be fair, and link to material rather than leave entire works up.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

Boy oh boy, I've taken a few threads off topic but I have no clue what this thread is about anymore. Even if I tried to do it, I could not have taken a thread as far off topic as this one has gotten. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif