The Car-ification of tractors

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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Montana )</font>

Montana.......Isn't that an SUV??? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #52  
5030, It's hard to tell the difference. I think they call it a CUT in tractor parlance. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

John
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( [They don't give a hoot about diversifying, they care about raking in incredible profits from consumers who think tractors are cars, and spend accordingly. When a refridgerator /cellphone maker like LG sees incredible profits in tractors, there is something wrong inthe tractor market!
This fits their production model since they are producing goods that are not designed to last pas t a 60 month financing cycle]........"andrewj"
Andrew, Are you saying that LG/LS tractors are designed to only last 60 months? You seem to have quite an insight into their business model knowing their profit margins as well as you do. Let us know what they plan to do next since they aren't to keen on diversification, maybe automobiles for us who don't know the difference? Also, please expound on the ills of the tractor market. Your revelations are fascinating! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif )</font>

Newtoy, I have said nothing that would deserve what you wrote. I don't claim to have more information than you or anyone, I am just making an observation. You are free to disagree and presumably most adults can do so without such a snippy response. I'm just trying to make a few points, not trying to cut your business or make you feel like you have to defend your brand. I mentioned LG as a new-comer in to the market, (you mention they have been around, you don't hardly see any 30 year old LGs for sale around here. All you see are the shiny new ones.)

Not just LG, I think all makers are shifting their goal to a product that isn't designed to last as long, LG included. My mention of 60 months represents a financing cycle - obviously each maker is still producing a simple tractor that with some care should be expected to last some time, and longer than my 60 month example, but I am only highlighting the difference between yesterdays tractors and today's tractors.
 
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Andrew, Are you saying that LG/LS tractors are designed to only last 60 months? You seem to have quite an insight into their business model knowing their profit margins as well as you do. Let us know what they plan to do next since they aren't to keen on diversification, maybe automobiles for us who don't know the difference? Also, please expound on the ills of the tractor market. Your revelations are fascinating! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif )</font>


After reading your profile I understand your being overly defensive. I didn't mean to offend you. I see you just bought a brand new 05 Farmtrac 270DTC. LS/LG has "rendered" Long Agribusiness in 1998. Dosn't Long make the Farmtrac? You should know I seriously considered a farmtrac as I thought, and still believe, they are solid machines. I will stick with using Remington and Colt as ficticious tractor makers...but I can hear it now..

"Fordguy, I just sank 17 Gs into a Remington compact utility tractor, and you have insulted their good name, sir....and I'm calling you OUT!"

Seriously, I'll refrain from mentioning any particular brand, even my own and try to stick with my main gripe and that is getting raped on plastic parts that break and can't be re-bent that cost dollars to make and hundreds of dollars for me to buy!
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #55  
Okay, while at Power Show Ohio, I saw several brands that I had never encountered before despite living in the dairy capital of Ohio for almost 30 years (Wayne County). The strange brands I remember -- no dealer within 75 miles of some very serious farm country, as far as I can tell -- Montana, TYM, Zetor, Branson, FarmTrac, and another brand that looked Ford blue but was not NH. I have heard of Long, Brown, Bradley, and a couple others that were around looking good for a while and have now gone to that great farm field in the sky, plus the usual big names that aren't around except in memories of conglomerates like Allis, Ford, and so on.

The main line of this thread, I believe, is to lament the fact that tractors have become like so many other products in this country -- i.e. a market driven consumable product. The designs are trending toward whatever is fashionable or popular at the time, albeit with a longer cycle than consumer electronics. The fact that the only way to survive in the business world is to make a profit, and that profit comes from selling lots of product at a low profit margin, less product at a high margin, or if you're lucky, lots of product at a high margin, is driving the tractor manufacturers to direct their efforts toward what seems to move out of the dealers lots the fastest.

You can't blame Kubota for trying to sell a B3030HSTC harder than a B7800 gear model. The 3030 represents what a lot of people want and are willing to pay for. The 7800 is there for traditional tractor buyer -- the same guy who wants a non-extended cab 1/2 ton stick shift 6 cylinder 2wd pickup to use for work. The 3030 is for the other 95% who want the deluxe wheeled 4X4 V-8 crewcab leather laden A/C and stereo equipped neighbor impresser to drive to the kids soccer game and are willing to pay for it. How many 790's does JD sell compared to 10 or 20 series machines? How many TC30's does NH sell compared to the fancier line?

It's just modern business, guys. If you want to see basic no frills tractors continue to be offered, convince your friends and neighbors to buy them and drive the market in that direction. Until then, sit back and sigh as our materialistic society continues on it's merry way toward ever bigger and fancier everything. And before we all get insulted, how many of you guys who are reading this are empty nesters or soon to be, and living in, or planning to buy or build a house that is bigger than the one you lived in when the kids were being raised? How many have more cars/trucks than drivers? How many have more than 2 TV's, phones, stoves, showers, bathrooms, etc.? Tractors becoming toys and status symbols is just a small part of the national trend toward having more and more of everything while piously decrying the materialism all around us. And yeah, I'm guilty too. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Starbucks anyone?
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #56  
<font color="blue">-- i.e. a market driven consumable product. </font>
No offense meant, but 2 questions...

Who declared today's tractors 'consumables'?

What successful company isn't market driven?

I fail to understand how a modern tractor is any more, or less, a response to market demand than a tractor like a JD 4020 was in it's day.

I suppose when tractors first came out, people were sitting around the country store lamenting the demise of the horse drawn plow and how people who used a tractor weren't real farmers. I'm not going to sit in judgment of how other people spend their money, whether for a 'car-ified' tractor, a big house or any other purchase. To state that people who buy fancy cars or tractors are simply doing it to impress someone else is wrong. There's no nobility in driving a 'used Yugo' and there's no shame in driving an AMG C55.

And, no, I do not drive an AMG (or even a new car) and I don't drink Starbucks (it's lousy coffee anyway - I drink Green Mountain Coffee).

Some people buy the tractor they can afford, some buy the tractor they need and some get to buy the tractor they want and I say good for them. I am glad I am living at a time when there's plenty of choice.
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #57  
Mike PA, you make some good observations on convincing the nieghbor to buy "bare bones" machines. Will they? probably not becuase for a few buck more (not always) a tractor buyer can upgrade with the options now available. the topic of this thread is the car-ification of tractors and your observation Mike, your right. the buyer says Ford Focus and ends up leaving with the 500 many times. My observation while I was searching is that there are VERY few models and manufacturers that a buyer can make apples to apple comparisons and that is by design.................I'll bet /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #58  
IMO ...

Tractors are becoming much more complicated than the old timer models, but is this a bad thing?

Safety ... I think some of the safety reqs are a "good thing". I don't care how experienced a user you are, bad things can happen, and ROPS are a reasonable requirement. Other things like "occupation sensors" might be a pain, but not the pain of losing an arm in a PTO! Then again, I think an airbag might be a "bit too far" /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Computerization (1) ... The reality is, emission requirements mean that the engines need MANY more sensors and controls than the "old days". A computer that monitors the multitude of sensors for the engine is wonderful when it comes to keeping the engine in "prime operating condition". You *will* have those sensors/controls on the engine to meet the requirements, and without the "computer monitoring" of the sensors, it will be a PITA to figure out why it "just dun run rite anymo".

Computerization (2) ... From above, once you *have* that computer, put it to use! ... I think JD has done some very kewl things with the computerization of the tranny (aka their eHydro). I mean why not? ...

Plastic ... I think this is just a way to cut costs, and personally would not like to see. Then again, I think you just have to accept it. The "market" will fill the needs for replacement/maintenance stuff (aka tractor owners are not the crowd that thows stuff away cuz of a broken part be it plastic or cast or steel).

Planned Obsolesence ... It's probably true that tractors built today may not have the "lifespan" of those built 50yrs ago, but being an owner of a 50yr old JD crawler, I'm ready for something new! I would also be willing to bet that the "depreciation" of "car like" tractors is less than or equal to that "non-car like" tractors (over their respective 5-10 year period).


You can moan about it all you like, but it's change. I think mostly for the better, but that's IMO ...
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #59  
Mike:

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( 'consumables'? - I drink Green Mountain Coffee )</font>

That's most certainly a good consumable and a plug for Pete and Green Mountain Roasters. Matter of fact, I'm having a cup while I type this reply. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #60  
Andrewj, I certainly didn't intend to come off as "snippy", I was leaning toward sarcasm with a modicum of civility. I will make every endeavor to be more adult like in my future defense of the powerful manufacturing entity LG/LS. Also, I had no idea that LG/LS had been making tractors for 30 years. That snippet of information was submitted by another poster more knowledgeable than myself. Once again, sorry if I hurt your feelings as that was not my intent.
Regards, John
 

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