The Car-ification of tractors

   / The Car-ification of tractors
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#61  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Andrewj, I certainly didn't intend to come off as "snippy", I was leaning toward sarcasm with a modicum of civility. I will make every endeavor to be more adult like in my future defense of the powerful manufacturing entity LG/LS. Also, I had no idea that LG/LS had been making tractors for 30 years. That snippet of information was submitted by another poster more knowledgeable than myself. Once again, sorry if I hurt your feelings as that was not my intent.
Regards, John )</font>

no problem brother! Glad we could get it back on track. The LG website says they acquired licensing from Fiat, I believe, and presumably continued their processes on certain models, then made their own. Like I said, I like the Long line and would certainly have one myself. Again, no problem.
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #62  
Mike -- Right, everything is market driven if the company is to survive. The point I was trying to make is that since our society is moving in the direction of always having the newest, biggest, fanciest thing you can afford -- or at least make the payments on -- the basic machines are not very popular. The CUT market is a prime example. Today's CUT is the same HP as serious tractors were in early 50's. The suburban/exurban/rural residential piece of ground consisting of 3 to 20 acres is a relatively new phenomenon compared to the days when I was growing up. Back then, we were "out in the country" with a near 1 acre piece of ground with a substantial woods behind it. Our whole society has moved toward a more materialistic way of life which is often referred to as a higher standard of living. Farmland is being sold off in 5 to 20 acres pieces around here and becoming very large yards and mini-farms, thus creating the market for something bigger than a lawnmower to care for it. The people buying these pieces of ground often have substantial income from white collar jobs revolving around some high-tech related skill and tend to favor the most gadget laden items they can find to enhance and support their lifestyle. This approach to life tends to make them want more comfort, more features, more glitz on their tractors, which is ironic since many of them purport to be trying to get back to nature and the simple life while revelling in the luxuries their jobs can support.

Tractors have gone from a needed tool to a lifestyle accessory, and their design reflects that. I'm not hyprocrite enough to knock it, I'm just stating what I believe to be fact. On the large tractor side, the paucity of people willing to work on farms, coupled with the increase in size needed to survive and prosper in that industry has led to larger and larger machinery capable of doing in a few hours what took my FIL a couple of days back in the 50's. The machines are huge, the competition is fierce, and the need to take every possible advantage of available technology to make a profit is large.

That's why we are not far from seeing tractors running around a field directed by GPS with a computer acting through a CVT to control ground speed and implements to put exactly the right mix of pesticides, fertilizers, and seed density for maximum profit while the operator sits in his truck/office on the side of the field keeping an eye on things while watching the market prices change on his laptop.

I'm not knocking it, just stating fact. And yes, impressing the neighbors is part of the attitude people have, but they won't admit it if asked. There have been numerous studies done that show the best and most accurate survey technique to measure the whims of the consumer market is to ask people not what they want, but what their neighbors want.
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #63  
Thanks for the info New Toy. They look like solid little tractors.

To comment further, tractors are like everything else built today...how many times in the past did I hear my old man lament about products of his time. No matter what it was, he always had the opinion of "they don't build 'em like that anymore". I guess in many ways, he was onto something /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Great thread, btw.

BC
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #64  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( That's why we are not far from seeing tractors running around a field directed by GPS with a computer acting through a CVT to control ground speed and implements to put exactly the right mix of pesticides, fertilizers, and seed density for maximum profit while the operator sits in his truck/office on the side of the field keeping an eye on things while watching the market prices change on his laptop.
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You're right, we are almost there. The only difference is that right now the operator sits in the tractor seat and monitors everything instead of doing it remotely. Computers even use laser and/or radar to keep track of the vehicle's forward speed and to calculate wheel slippage. GPS units are already guiding tractors with no need for a driver's input across a field. Computers are already handling the chemicals and seeds. To find all these extras, all you have to do is look at the larger tractors operating on larger fields.
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #65  
Maybe this thread should be retitled "The Modernization of Tractors".
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors
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#66  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Maybe this thread should be retitled "The Modernization of Tractors". )</font>

good point. I really didn't think much about it, just wrote what first popped into my head. But I think it's much more than modernization. It's the adoption of a marketing model, a financing model, AND a manufacturing model at once. I am happy about the financing model....but the manufacturing is whaqt I am discussing.

Whereas tractors were once built more like bulldozers, now the auto manufacturing model has been superimposed on tractors. At the same time, autos have slowly declined in quality. Just an example, look at the sheet metal on a JD 4020 then on my JD 5103. (IM NOT KNOCKING JD!)
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #67  
<font color="blue"> At the same time, autos have slowly declined in quality. </font>

How do you figure ??? Cars and trucks are better made than they were 30 years ago. They do not rust out like they use too,you can get a lot more mileage out of the engine. IE: Growing up a 283 engine you would probably have to put new rings in the engine at about 75,000 to a 100,000 miles etc....I have seen S 10 pick ups with 200,000 miles on the engine and no major repairs on the engine,you get better gas mileage for the most part. Quality has declined ?? I don't think so.
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #68  
But the current cars have more modern plastics and electronics, that must mean that they have declined in quality and cannot possibly last long.... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #69  
I've spent a lot of hours on a tractor that was built in the late 1940's or early 1950's. I also spent a lot of time trouble shooting the hydraulics on that beast. It was a good, solid tractor, but I am much, much happier with a 2005 M6800.

Given the choice, I would take a modern tractor over a mid-20th century tractor any day of the week. If you take care of your equipment, it is going to last just as long as that 1950 model tractor. Plus, you'll be able to get more work done in less time with less cost.

Tractors today are more then the equal of yester-year's tractors.

I don't even want to get on the subject of driving those old bulldozers... Now that was WORK!
 
   / The Car-ification of tractors #70  
I started to post on this topic a few days ago. Then I waited.

I started to post again this morning, without reading ALL the replies so far. FORTUNATELY, I waited.

I've read everything so far. Apparently some people feel mighty strongly about this issue.

I do too.

Todays crop of technological wonder-dogs is impressive. So are the repair bills when they have problems. And then there's the long wait for some of those repairs to be carried out.

We can only speculate on the value of a "todays tractor" in 25 years. It will likely depend on who owned it, and how they cared for it. One in good shape will hold it's value. One in run-down condition will be about worthless. The cost of repairing major items won't get any cheaper. Parts will probably be available, but with the dozens of models each brand sells, a dealer can't and won't stock a big inventory of those parts.

In most cases, the "oldies" are easier to work on. That allows you and me to do a large part of the service and repairs. That holds down the cost. Lower cost means those repairs get done, and not put on the back burner until they're affordable.

New tractors are great WHEN THEY'RE NEW. But the don't stay new forever. When todays tractors become "oldies", I don't see them being as common as tractors from the '60's or '70's are now.
 

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