AxleHub
Elite Member
Greetings,
I've read many threads on TBN that refer to adding an implement and then a need for a hydraulic method of controlling it.
However, the number of different terms used seems to be thrown around in a very confusing and often haphazard manner.
Let's start with some of those terms:
1. Rear Remote
2. 3rd function valve
3. Diverter valve
4. Power beyond
5. 2 remotes limitation
6. Key switch or toggle switch
7. Joystick valve.
8. Sensitivity vs on/off
9. Electric controlled
So lets take a simple example . . a grapple for a scut to be added.
It seems like a 3rd function valve is often referred to when it diverts flow from an existing hydroline to a source. This "diverting" temporarily interrupts the normal use of that line while something either closes/tightens or rotates. Often in this scenario it has a solenoid switch tied or attached to the normal joystick used for the fel or by or a foot switch.
My undetstanding is this switch is often like a simple light switch or toggle back/forth switch . . Its on . . Its off. It woukd appear this system does not offer the same sensitivity that a joystick control does (or like a dimmer light switch would). And adjusting is a process of clicking the switch repeatedly.. It would seem to be much more prone to early failure or damage because of the wiring, the switch setup, and the need for repeated clicking of it . . . and apparently a need for a different or modified joystick instead of the original.
It seems when people refer to rear remotes . . that implies a limit of 2 for some reason . . but more useful sensitivity and a separate joystick or mechanism that is not electrical oriented and not fel joystick related.
Now I've seen threads where posters talk about a 3rd function switch or 3rd function valve ???. Also threads where they got a 3rd function valve added but it isn't a diverter ????
Still other threads talk about a 3rd function valve that is not power beyond vs. A remote that is power beyond.
Obviously understanding hydraulics is one thing but it seems like there are 3 or 4 (or more) ways to control an implement hydraulicly. Yet posters talk in switching terms about them . . yet costs seem farely similar per item (about 800 or 900 dollars plus some labor) for any if the choices except a true electric driven control to rotate a snowblower chute.
And no one seems to question why only 2 rear remotes are possible ???
Lastly . . it appears that a valve that is involved with "power beyond" is the 1 type of valve that mimics tthe normal tractor fel joystick or 3pt control etc. . . . in other words fully completing hydraulic flow and return circuitry.
At times in many posts it appears experienced users even confuse the differences and less experienced users are even more confused . . and when they ask the dealer for something to control a new implement . . the dealer just chooses one type regardless of future needs or expansion potential.
So . . can we get some simple definitions of the various choices available for a scut (to keep it simple and not be talking about big control stack adfons etc.)? And then the advantages and disadvantages that each choice or consideration offers.
I understand some options require running lines from the rear to the front. I'm especially interested in how each performs compared to how a fel joystock or 3 pt. Lift lever operates because they can be used with sensitivity and more precise control in my opinion.
Thanks for your inputs . . I'm sure many would value some clarity
I've read many threads on TBN that refer to adding an implement and then a need for a hydraulic method of controlling it.
However, the number of different terms used seems to be thrown around in a very confusing and often haphazard manner.
Let's start with some of those terms:
1. Rear Remote
2. 3rd function valve
3. Diverter valve
4. Power beyond
5. 2 remotes limitation
6. Key switch or toggle switch
7. Joystick valve.
8. Sensitivity vs on/off
9. Electric controlled
So lets take a simple example . . a grapple for a scut to be added.
It seems like a 3rd function valve is often referred to when it diverts flow from an existing hydroline to a source. This "diverting" temporarily interrupts the normal use of that line while something either closes/tightens or rotates. Often in this scenario it has a solenoid switch tied or attached to the normal joystick used for the fel or by or a foot switch.
My undetstanding is this switch is often like a simple light switch or toggle back/forth switch . . Its on . . Its off. It woukd appear this system does not offer the same sensitivity that a joystick control does (or like a dimmer light switch would). And adjusting is a process of clicking the switch repeatedly.. It would seem to be much more prone to early failure or damage because of the wiring, the switch setup, and the need for repeated clicking of it . . . and apparently a need for a different or modified joystick instead of the original.
It seems when people refer to rear remotes . . that implies a limit of 2 for some reason . . but more useful sensitivity and a separate joystick or mechanism that is not electrical oriented and not fel joystick related.
Now I've seen threads where posters talk about a 3rd function switch or 3rd function valve ???. Also threads where they got a 3rd function valve added but it isn't a diverter ????
Still other threads talk about a 3rd function valve that is not power beyond vs. A remote that is power beyond.
Obviously understanding hydraulics is one thing but it seems like there are 3 or 4 (or more) ways to control an implement hydraulicly. Yet posters talk in switching terms about them . . yet costs seem farely similar per item (about 800 or 900 dollars plus some labor) for any if the choices except a true electric driven control to rotate a snowblower chute.
And no one seems to question why only 2 rear remotes are possible ???
Lastly . . it appears that a valve that is involved with "power beyond" is the 1 type of valve that mimics tthe normal tractor fel joystick or 3pt control etc. . . . in other words fully completing hydraulic flow and return circuitry.
At times in many posts it appears experienced users even confuse the differences and less experienced users are even more confused . . and when they ask the dealer for something to control a new implement . . the dealer just chooses one type regardless of future needs or expansion potential.
So . . can we get some simple definitions of the various choices available for a scut (to keep it simple and not be talking about big control stack adfons etc.)? And then the advantages and disadvantages that each choice or consideration offers.
I understand some options require running lines from the rear to the front. I'm especially interested in how each performs compared to how a fel joystock or 3 pt. Lift lever operates because they can be used with sensitivity and more precise control in my opinion.
Thanks for your inputs . . I'm sure many would value some clarity
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