THE MORE I LOOK ......

[campster]

The Kubota product manager I spoke with told me that the numeric portion of the model number on Kubota loaders represents the capacity in kilograms. Makes it real easy to compare them when you're looking:

¤ BX18/2200 -> LA211 = 464#
¤ B7400 -> LA272 = 598#
¤ B7500 -> LA302 = 664#
¤ B2410 -> LA352 = 774#
¤ B27/2910 -> LA402 = 884#
¤ B21 -> LA421 = 926#

The values calculated above all fall within 4 pounds of the bucket center capacities in the Kubota brochures I have. Note that if you add a 4-in-1 to any of these, you will lose 150-200# of lift due to the added bucket weight.



BTW, if that oil tank you're planning on digging up is still in good shape, you could always keep it as a Diesel storage vault /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif

 

[campster]

After extended discussions with several aftermarket loader manufacturers, it appears that the rating for the B21 is an ASAE rating (500mm forward of bucket center.) I've made a new list of ASAE bucket capacities below. Now the extra $$$ for the B21 is starting to make sense from a loader perspective as well as the backhoe:

¤ BX18/2200 -> LA211 = ???
¤ B7400 -> LA272 = 495#
¤ B7500 -> LA302 = 555#
¤ B2410 -> LA352 = 670#
¤ B27/2910 -> LA402 = 760#
¤ B21 -> LA421 = 926#

Just to make it _really_ difficult to compare products, Bush Hog rates their loaders at 1850 psi, Woods at 1660 psi, and Kubota at 2000 psi (2200 for the LA302.)

BTW, that new Bush Hog M146 will have an ASAE capacity of 570# at full height (84") and 710# up to 59".

 

[RIRICH]

Oh boy, mind boggling, ha, ha. Question for ya? I would think there is an advantage in going with the equipment that a manufacture supplies with the unit? yes? no? Being new to this type of equip., I thought it would be the safe way to go. I must say I am leaning towards a b7500 at this time, mostly because of the size. Smaller bites and a few more trips won't make much difference. But by all means , don't stoop the info from coming.
Rich

 

[john_bud]

Campster,

I have a question for you, because from reading your post I got confused! You wrote that the ASAE rating is used and that it is 500 mm forward of the bucket center, then you downgraded the lift capacities. Wouldn't rating the loader forward of the bucket center increase the rating at the center? It seems, to my totally unknowledgeable perspective, that the weight is farther out on the lever arm the loader has to lift and it would require more force. So, moving the load back to the pivot point would allow you to lift more. Or am I missing the point?

And I thought physics class was dismissed 20 years ago! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

John Bud

 

[campster]

<font color=green>I would think there is an advantage in going with the equipment that a manufacture supplies with the unit?</font color=green>

In many cases, yes. But specific aftermarket loaders paired with specific tractors can offer advantages. An example would be the Woods 1012/1016/1020 paired with an L-Series Kubota. You get a 4-bar linkage and Quick-Attach fittings which Kubota doesn't offer on the LA481/681. For some customers, these are important.




<font color=green>You wrote that the ASAE rating is used and that it is 500 mm forward of the bucket center, then you downgraded the lift capacities. Wouldn't rating the loader forward of the bucket center increase the rating at the center? It seems, to my totally unknowledgeable perspective, that the weight is farther out on the lever arm the loader has to lift and it would require more force. So, moving the load back to the pivot point would allow you to lift more.</font color=green>

Just a little confusion. Kubota's ratings embedded in the loader model# are based on bucket center capacities and that was what I quoted in the first post for all (except the B21/LA421 as I later found out.) Since I had no bucket center figure for this tractor but there were ASAE ratings for almost all the others, I posted ratings that would allow for a fair comparison amongst all the machines. Besides, as the other manufacturers reminded me, this 500mm forward measurement is a standard which all manufacturers provide and there is a well defined way of measuring it--except of course that they all specify different hydraulic pressures so unless you really do your homework, you can easily be misled. The B-series brochure has several different loader capacities (pivot, bucket center, 500mm forward) but doesn't mention ASAE anywhere. The B21 brochure offers an ASAE capacity only (and doesn't mention 500mm which I later found out was the standard.) Note that the BX/LA201 does not list an ASAE capacity in its brochure.