The World encroaching? Move your driveway!

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   / The World encroaching? Move your driveway! #21  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( the County and State have virtually no restrictions on the placement of mobil homes.
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Which is exactly as it should be.)</font>
Agreed!!!!
Now "developments" are a different story. They should all be disapproved (with malice). /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / The World encroaching? Move your driveway! #22  
Now, I am living behind the scenes here in VT on a similar project. My brother-in-law is building a house on the family land. It is done the wrong way in every step. However... that aside, in rural VT this town does not require an electrical inspection but!... the town themselves designed the septic before the house could be started, that is no digging of any kind until the plans are done. That included the clearing of trees for the placement of the house... and finally the placement of the driveway was also a town design. So instead of a nice short driveway they made him run it around his property just so less soil had to be moved for grading.

What I mean by the wrong way is... he decided to have the pre-fab house delivered and he would finish everything. Including the foundation/concrete forms, boiler, electrical.... He is one of those "I can do it because everyone in my family has" kind of person (who can't build a bird house). I have bailed him out of every project (from cars to dirt-bikes to me building his garage at his old place when he gave up) he has started over the last 10 years but due to health reasons I said NO on this one. Although No means Yes to him. He should have just paid to have it done and it is not my problem anymore. The house should have been done in November and he still can't move in. I am glad I live on the other end of town.
 
   / The World encroaching? Move your driveway! #23  
Without sounding negative towards double wides- which I have nothing against- consider this Bigpete: it can be rolled off someday easier than a home demolition.
 
   / The World encroaching? Move your driveway! #24  
Something similar has happened to me even before I build my house. When I bought my 5 acre piece of property, there was an adjoining 2-1/2 acre piece for sale by the same seller. Our property is long and narrow; 780' x 280'. The one next door was even more so --- 780' x 140'. At the time, I thought it would be "nice" to have it, but not really necessary. They were asking a premium of about 25% for the smaller parcel, and frankly I was too cheap to pay the price for something I really didn't need.

So, it sold to someone else. As I was carefully and laboriously clearing my property selectively, getting rid of the "trash" plants and preserving all the native species, my new neighbor clear-cut his property. Naked, and long and very narrow, it looks like a bowling alley. There were beautiful Sabal Palms on his side of the fence, matching a grove of 5 trees on my side, which were cut out. There were dozens of small live oaks and native slash pine that were bulldozed.

After hauling in dirt to build a small mountain not much bigger than the house for a house pad, the new neighbor got a divorce and sold the property.

The newest owners put up a small house with no garage that was legal but totally out of character for the neighborhood. They added no fill to the yard and the house is still sitting on a mound that looks more like a groundhog burrow entrance. There is not a trace of landscaping anywhere on the property.

There is nothing I can do about it except plant a landscape screen. We've started already, planting several types of plants that will eventually grow up into a solid, hedge-like screen that will vary from 10' to 30' in height. We have a lot to go, as we will eventually be planting a screen about 300' long by up to 12' wide. Henro, part of what we are planning will be bamboo.

Like I said, I can't complain. I had the chance to buy the property and control how it looked, and I muffed it because I was too miserly. It's really ironic now, because land values have more than tripled in the 2-1/2 years since I had the chance to buy it. My bad, and nothing against them -- they're nice enough folks, who wanted to live in a nice neighborhood, but bit off a bit more than they could chew.
 
   / The World encroaching? Move your driveway! #25  
Your new neighbor certainly did it differantly than I would have. I'd have cut a winding driveway and planted the house in the woods so I didn't have to look at my neighbors. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'd have left unkept brush/forest in the front... You see, I wouldn't have wanted to look at you any more than you want to look at him.

He is young, and young people do not always do as they should. However, he has some property now and is obviously doing what he can aford to do. If it bothers you, suround yourself with forest/evergreens. But do not be condesending...
You can not have your cake and eat it to at all times. If you wish to eliminate the possibility of neighbors bugging you in this mannor, you should buy 10 acres or more and plant yourself in the middle of it.
 
   / The World encroaching? Move your driveway! #26  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Naked, and long and very narrow, it looks like a bolwling alley. )</font>

Hehehe... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( There is not a trace of landscaping anywhere on the property. )</font>

I have a neighbor close by that actually sweeps the dirt (yes, the whole yard) so nothing will grow. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
This makes no sense to me. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
   / The World encroaching? Move your driveway! #27  
Do you not have any building codes and building inspectorwhat about building permits ? By the looks of the neighborhood I would think you would, if not maybe you should bring this up at your local town meeting. Now some of you may say " why would we want the goverment to know what we are doing on our own prpoerty" but this kind of thing would have been prevented. And if he did this without permits and did a terrible job and not conforming to codes MOST town inspectors would show their authority and make him move the house out of there, yes I have seen it done before.
 
   / The World encroaching? Move your driveway! #28  
My 2 cents.

Although I concur that your new neighbor may have not done a lot of planning and acted hastily let me throw this out.

With a relatively small amount of road frontage, isn't it common for the house to be built in the center of the property (across the frontage) for balance? Looking at your picture in South View it appears the each house listed has done the same.

Have you heard what landscaping (roadside in particular) your new neighbor intends? I'm just wondering if the clear-cut was done initially but he plans on something nice in the future.

Don't know how much snow you get but around here it is preferred that the driveway across the street doesn't match the road at the same point as yours. If/when needed, you can't push the snow across the street.

I'm sure you've thought of this, but when you plant make sure the foliage is set back enough so it won't obstruct your view of the road when you need to pull out.

Brian
 
   / The World encroaching? Move your driveway! #29  
Might I suggest: Leyland Cypress. They grow 4-6 feet a year and are reasonably dense and evergreen. Not too expensive in comparison to a lot of other trees.

Leyland Cypress Info Link

You have my sympathies. Double wide, barn, even another neighbors house right smack dab in front of yours is always going to suck. Makes me think I need to buy more land and move farther out.
 
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Hey, Vetteman. We are not within a town' jurisdiction. The building code authority is county government and environmental regs are state. In tidal areas, state and federal. There are fair and reasonable building codes for stick-built home that involve setback, foundation depth and type, and hurricaine saftey provisions, such as rafter and beam tie-downs. As to mobile homes, all you need is proof that you have filed a septic plan with division of natural resources and a deed wihtout specific restrictions on mobil homes. There is no regulation or guideline for foundations or tie-down for the trailer. There is no granting of occupancy step. That is clearly a guideline that would have helped this young man by requiring the mobile home retailer to pour a piling for the piers, or pour a footing for the foundation. In this case, the trailer sank in a matter of days. He had to actually pay more for the outfit to come out and put a concrete block foundation under the perimeter---on packed sand--still no footing. In this case, he also contracted with a fly-by-night septic company that didn't follow enviromnmental code or the original approved plan. All of the other wisdom issues aside, we have a consumer who has gotten hosed becasue he showed no common sense AND there were no basic regulations to make the contractors do their work correctly.

I know there are a bunch of folks who think government shouldn't be involved in land use and zoning. First, IMO, I believe in public schools and public works for roads and safety. I find it interesting that people who think there should be no government direction on land use and zoning complain about developments with $300-$500 houses all in the same breath. People who are building these "McMansions" also do not want trailer courts or dump-and-run double-wides in their realm. Sounds like everyone would benefit from some sort of zoning and land use controls, even those who want none want something done about something.

My family still operates farms in southern Iowa and Kansas--about 1,200 acres in total. About half of it has been in the family since the early 1900s. On both sides of the family, there is always a constant effort to participate in land use and zoning politics and there has been for years. It's naive to say that land use and zoning issues are the same for agricultural land as they are for single family housing land. And truly naive to say that "anything goes on my neighbor's land--it's his right." My family lost a bitter battle when a farmer neighbor sold out to a battery manufacturer. The battery plant has not only effected the land value but has effected the ag production potential and environmental stabilty of the water table. In addition, developers are fighting to change ag zoning over to residential development zoning (trailer court) near another 90 acre family parcel. If any of you operated a century farm would you really embrace a trailer court being put right next to your family land? Think very carefully, rather than just say "..no problem. They've got the right!"

I do truly believe this guy had a legal right to put a double-wide on that land, but his family and everyone else cannot believe he did what he did. He didn't bother to look around or look forward. He could have gone to the bank with a free and clear asset worth over $100 K and borrowed the same amount and built a nice, modest home. Instead, he's fighting with an two companies that probably won't be here in a year's time; he's fighting with his family and neighbors; and he's going to lose the economic and legacy value of the land. His fiannced $30,000 investment will be worth nothing in 10 years when factoring the cost of removal. Hopefully, the land will retain it value.

Bottom line, guys: a little family intervention and some basic building code regulation and zoning language detail would have made this guy and everyone else happier in the long run. Imagine how it might be on land adjacent to yours if if there were no land use guidleines in your area. As a person with agricultural and residential land interests, I can say that I am for fair land use controls and building codes in my county and state. In addition, as a person who has struggled financially early in my career, I can say with true sincerity that I hope he can find a way to make this work for his sake, not just mine. I'm doing what I can to protect my investment. When my work is done, I am going to help him put in a lawn and dirveway of his own. It will help both of our causes.
 
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