Soundguy
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- Mar 11, 2002
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- RK 55HC,ym1700, NH7610S, Ford 8N, 2N, NAA, 660, 850 x2, 541, 950, 941D, 951, 2000, 3000, 4000, 4600, 5000, 740, IH 'C' 'H', CUB, John Deere 'B', allis 'G', case VAC
Minor issues don't count, I agree...
But blind zerk ports... that's plain shoddy machining. No way to lipstick that pig..
Needing a starter right of fthe bat is a bit... annoying.. but at least it adhere's to common electric principles... that is.. HEF.... I'd think less about replacing a starter right off the bat, vs replacing one mid way thru life.
Early faileure is a common failure mode with electronics.. some of it is to be expected.
I don't think I'm being harsh.. nor do i expect JD quality on a 3900$ economy 20ish hp tractor. I do however expect grease ports and other lube ports to be drilled thru.. thus my comments.
Fit and finish are of negligible importance... "ugly' and runs is much more usefull than pretty, but not machined correctly...
A fitting/joint with some grease.. but not enough just shows a bit of neglect.. one that won't take grease due to a defect.. well.. that's just a tad bit pathetic... after all.. there were at least 2 chances, if not more, to find a problem at that joint.. one by the factory.. and one by the dealer....
I'm not going out of my way to lead a vigil against chinese tractors.. in the same shoe though.. you can't blanket defend shoody workmanship just based on country of origin.... sometimes a cigar is a cigar, so to speak. I see no problem with calling an issue on the mat when it's a real issue... I'd do the same for any other brand.. reguardless of manufacturer. in fact... any 'big' manufacturer.. I'd lambast even more.. as they are expected to have better qc, fit/finish. and pre/post checking.. as part of that price premium.. etc.
soundguy
But blind zerk ports... that's plain shoddy machining. No way to lipstick that pig..
Needing a starter right of fthe bat is a bit... annoying.. but at least it adhere's to common electric principles... that is.. HEF.... I'd think less about replacing a starter right off the bat, vs replacing one mid way thru life.
Early faileure is a common failure mode with electronics.. some of it is to be expected.
I don't think I'm being harsh.. nor do i expect JD quality on a 3900$ economy 20ish hp tractor. I do however expect grease ports and other lube ports to be drilled thru.. thus my comments.
Fit and finish are of negligible importance... "ugly' and runs is much more usefull than pretty, but not machined correctly...
A fitting/joint with some grease.. but not enough just shows a bit of neglect.. one that won't take grease due to a defect.. well.. that's just a tad bit pathetic... after all.. there were at least 2 chances, if not more, to find a problem at that joint.. one by the factory.. and one by the dealer....
I'm not going out of my way to lead a vigil against chinese tractors.. in the same shoe though.. you can't blanket defend shoody workmanship just based on country of origin.... sometimes a cigar is a cigar, so to speak. I see no problem with calling an issue on the mat when it's a real issue... I'd do the same for any other brand.. reguardless of manufacturer. in fact... any 'big' manufacturer.. I'd lambast even more.. as they are expected to have better qc, fit/finish. and pre/post checking.. as part of that price premium.. etc.
soundguy
Paddy said:SoundGuy,
I think you are being a little bit harsh. We the China tractor buyers know going in there are a few bugs to work out. When I got my tractor, I had to fill all the grease fittings. I did have a need to disassemble a grease area and there was some grease but certainly not full! I needed a starter and I'm sure a few more items will pop up as I zoom in on 80 hr after two years of ownership. I'm sure you are not in the camp of thinking a dealer will tweek these China tractors and out comes a Ford or JD. These are great tractors for the money. I could not have even considered buy a 45 hp Kabota. For what I paid for this KAMA, I'd have a nice Kabota lawn mower. I would not reccomend a China tractor to anyone with the highest of quality expectations.
I have been very happy with both my tractor and my dealer, Chip