Jim, I was terrible at Cobol but had to take it (twice). With all the alpha numeric characters, typing the 1000+ lines of code was an all day task. Given that the computer system very much resembled an elevator, there were times I would save a line of code each time. Rmemeber, this was just the start of onscreen programming so while punch cards were difficult, a line editor using a program called XEDIT was still a mssive chore. I used my home computer and used WordStar, a full page editor. I was spoiled beyond belief. With 6 outside lines, it was more difficlt all the time to get on so my auto dialer kicked in at about 12AM and dialed until it connected. Those were the days. Mark