Buying Advice Thinking about upgrading from BX22 to the L2501

   / Thinking about upgrading from BX22 to the L2501 #1  

katana

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I've had my bx22 since 03. Loved it for the little time I've actually put on it (360hrs). In that time I've never had any issues with it, but it has always lacked a bit in the muscle dept. Wondering if anybody has made a similar move and has feedback of any kind.

The L2501 has a bit more heft and power with the bigger frame and slightly more powerful engine - but that combination appears to translate into a lot more capability in the specs with nearly double the lifting capacity on the loader and the 3-point hitch.

I don't need the backhoe so I would be skipping that on the L2501, any work that I need to do with one is well worth the cost of a mini-ex rental to me. It will mainly be used for firewood and gravel drive/property maintenance. I've got a 10 acre lot in town and another 40 of woods in the country.

Also wondering what my bx22 might be worth these days, general range, and whether it is better to try and sell it outright or just take the hit for a fast trade it in - not sure how hot these older models are anymore.
 
   / Thinking about upgrading from BX22 to the L2501 #2  
what will the increase of HP, lifting capacity, & overall wt be? if small increments, an expensive way to go. step back & look @ your future needs (& ambitions)
looks like a small step to me. best of luck, been in your situation a few times
btw welcome to forum, came to right place for questions like yours
 
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   / Thinking about upgrading from BX22 to the L2501 #3  
Check threads by JOHNTHOMAS and bp fick both have owned several of each and written good reviews. I have a BX2200 and BX2660, but I also have bigger ones when needed.
 
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Are links to another forum allowed for a comparison table? BX vs B01 vs B50 - OrangeTractorTalks - Everything Kubota

The L2501 has quite similar specs to the B2650, other than weight. Sounds like you'd be trailering it to a second property. Do you have a truck and trailer that can take the L2501, or is a B2650 a better choice? Do you have a use for a mid-PTO? The B2650 has some more luxury features, in particular it seems to me that having the brakes on the opposite side to the HST pedal means you can actually use the split brakes. To me split brakes are for cornering, and I don't see how I can push on a brake pedal at the same time as driving forwards on the L2501. But that's a minor niggle, you could left foot brake I guess.

Most people will say the L2501 is a better buy, more metal for your money, larger displacement engine, generally more tractor. But for a lot of uses I think the B2650 does the same job and has some benefits.
 
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I usually trade with the dealer (Barlows) because he gives me a decent trade in price and a good price on what I'm buying. Also Ky sales tax is 6% so I don't have to pay the 6% on the trade in value which can often times be around $600 give or take dollars so I'd have to get that much more in a private sale to be at the same money spot and with Barlow it's an instant decision with no nut jobs wasting my time.
My first tractor and Kubota was a BX2200 FEL MMM about 16 years ago and about 27 Kubotas ago. I was so imspired by what the BX would do on my new acres home building site that I traded it to a B7800 FEL and bought a BX1500 MMM for mowing.I used the B7800 for 3 years and then traded it to a Grand L32?? FEL which ended up to high off the ground on my hillside so traded the L to a B3200 FEL. OK, made several trades since in the BX and B market and now have another L and BX and had a B2650 and recommended a L2601 to my nephew with 30+ acres he wants to bo some critter and garden and mushroom farming.
The lift power is definitely of value and the biggest reason for trading is often times ground clearance or the lack of it with BXs.
I'd recommend you go to a Kubota dealer and sit on the little Ls and the various Bs and drive them around the dealers lot and know your budget and be prepared to make a deal. Barlows delivers and trades and travels to many states. A phone call would let you know how he would trade you and how he would straight out sell you one. Recent member got local prices and then Barlows beat them by a few thousand and then he went back to a different local dealer and told him what he had gotten offered one for and his local dealer matched the price.
Research is great and grand but that dealer lot ride and drive is super important.
 
   / Thinking about upgrading from BX22 to the L2501
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Thanks everyone, you've certainly given me some more things to consider and some excellent advice as I move forward! Greatly appreciated!
 
   / Thinking about upgrading from BX22 to the L2501 #7  
Weight is what makes a tractor work. HP just defines how fast it will get done. A L will lift or pull circles around a 100hp B just because the small machine wont have ballast or traction.

PTO work, mowing especially requires HP & you can skimp on weight a bit. But you still need ballast to handle a big mower deck.

Big & heavy also leaves ruts in the lawn & pocket book. Not to mention a bigger truck & trailer to haul. So it's all tradeoffs.
 
   / Thinking about upgrading from BX22 to the L2501 #8  
Reality doesn't always turn out the way you might expect. The L4240 is more nimble than the L3200, is nicer to operate, and makes the lightest marks on the grass. I can tool around uphill / downhill / sidehill easier now than with the other tractors.
 
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Reality doesn't always turn out the way you might expect. The L4240 is more nimble than the L3200, is nicer to operate, and makes the lightest marks on the grass. I can tool around uphill / downhill / sidehill easier now than with the other tractors.

I upgraded from a L3200 to a L4060... the new machine is 12" wider (could set tires in a bit, but the extea stability is nice) not to mention double the weight. Even on 2wd I tear up turf more. Way more stable, definitely, but not more maneuverable. There are a good handful of places I cant get the big machine into that i could get the old one. I turned the L3200 around completely inside the barn in, cant do that with L4060 in under an hour. I drove the L3200 into my shop & garage (ROPS down). Cant do that with the cabbed machine, not sure if I could do it with a L4060 open station either.

I'm glad I upgraded 98% of the time. 2% of the time I need to lift a lathe in the shop or what not.
 
   / Thinking about upgrading from BX22 to the L2501 #10  
I upgraded from a L3200 to a L4060... the new machine is 12" wider (could set tires in a bit, but the extea stability is nice) not to mention double the weight. Even on 2wd I tear up turf more. Way more stable, definitely, but not more maneuverable. There are a good handful of places I cant get the big machine into that i could get the old one. I turned the L3200 around completely inside the barn in, cant do that with L4060 in under an hour. I drove the L3200 into my shop & garage (ROPS down). Cant do that with the cabbed machine, not sure if I could do it with a L4060 open station either.

I'm glad I upgraded 98% of the time. 2% of the time I need to lift a lathe in the shop or what not.

Having re-read my post before hitting the "Submit" button, I realize this is quite lengthy. If it's too long to read, please skip it. The goal is to explain my earlier comments based on my usage and provide useful information to those who may have a similar application.

I wonder if we have much different soil, although about an acre of mine along the creek does flood a few times each year. More than a few last year.

First off, I never use 4WD when mowing. When I had a B7500 there were a couple places I either had to use 4WD or raise the RFM for weight on the (loaded) rear tires for traction while backing up a grade. When I bought the L3200 that problem went away. All three Kubotas have had fluid filled rear tires. The little Ford just has air.

I never mow with the FEL attached. It's too easy to drop the entire frame and everything. That's been my practice since 2002 with all 3 tractors that I've had with FEL's.

Our Ford is the only tractor I've used with R1 tires. It leaves the most noticeable marks. The next 3 all had R4's. I'd imagine a larger tractor with R1's could be a real problem. Until the first mowing with the L4240 I was afraid that due to its size I might need to get turf tires for it. I guess the relationship of weight to tire width must play into this because the L3200 was easier on the grass than the B7500 and the L4240 is better than the L3200. Looking back, I think the other R4-equipped tractors (bought new) treated the grass a bit better when they got some hours on the clock. The front tires on tight turns sometimes left a curved line of dots where the turf was stressed. Could be that the sharp edges of the lugs wore a little. Since the L4240 had 977 hours on it, maybe brand new tires would behave differently.

Most of my seat time is mowing. Maneuverability for me is primarily getting the RFM where it needs to be. I have posted the picture below in another thread. The L3200 and L4240 are shown having completed a 180 degree turn. I parked both tractors and stuck a driveway marker against each left rear tire. Then I drove each tractor in the tightest left turn they'd make. When I completed the 180 degree turn I measured from the driveway marker to the new location of the left rear tire. The measurement for the larger tractor was 27" less. There's one tree in an odd place here with a mulched area around it. I can now turn hard and mow around it in a circle without backing up or re-approaching it. When I complete the work on the wider deck, it may even get better. Or I'll start scalping off the high spots in the yard:)

As mentioned before, the marks at the lower right in front of the L3200 are the tracks left by the L3200. The less noticeable tracks between the tractors are from the L4240. That's how it looks in real life. It might also make difference that the rears on the L4240 are more toroidal in shape without the flat ground contact area the tires on the L3200 have and the B7500 had as well.

Since December I've put about 30 hours on the L4240. The first perhaps 15-20 were doing snow removal. We didn't get much snow this year, but I do our church parking lots and help out a few neighbors. The next largest use was mowing with some FEL work and odd stuff like dragging a shed and flipping a mower deck I'm working on. I have no inside or confined area loader work. The last time I used a tractor inside a building was carrying large rolled-up pieces of used conveyor belt inside our club's pistol range. That was way back with the B7500 and that was the last tractor of mine that would fit through the door.

I mentioned somewhere that tree trimming was necessary for mowing with the "new" tractor. I mowed a few times without doing that, and had to be careful with the taller tractor. Last night I trimmed the neighbor's trees to get rid of the smaller branches that rubbed the roof. If the weather is decent I'll do our place this weekend. Since building the cab for the L3200 I already needed to be aware of clearances. The L4240 just needs a little more. If I had gone from a ROPS-down open station to the L4240 it may have felt like going from a Mini Cooper to a Tahoe.

Yes, I need another shed due to the height. When I built the cab for the L3200 I made it to fit the shed:(
 

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