Thinking of propylene

   / Thinking of propylene #21  
Welcome to TBN - if you read the link I posted on safety, it mentions the 15 psi warning but not as clearly as you did.

As to hoses, I think someone may have misled you a bit - the type T hose is compatible with ALL fuel gases, INCLUDING acetylene

Single Line Welding Grade T | Goodyear® Engineered Products

Hose by Vendor | Parker Industrial | Parker Industrial Siameez Grade T Twin Welding Hose - Series 7109 - Welding

http://www.russet.co.nz/documents/Welding_Hose_What_hose_is_needed.pdf

A heads-up on hose and regulator safety | Processes content from Welding Design & Fabrication

Hope this helps clear things up, and again welcome... Steve
 
   / Thinking of propylene
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#22  
They say to only use grade T hose with propane, but you can still use a grade R hose for a long while with no issue. It's only after long term use that it can cause a problem. Not recommended, but it will work for a while.
When it starts cracking, replace it. Doesn't matter what fuel it has in it.....
And the 15psi rule for the acetylene regulator is only when it is used with acetylene. With propane, propylene, ect, you can safely crank it up as high as you want. But NEVER go above 15psi with acetylene! It will explode without any oxygen at 27 psi. 15psi is to give a good safety margin.
 
   / Thinking of propylene #23  
Welcome to TBN - if you read the link I posted on safety, it mentions the 15 psi warning but not as clearly as you did.

As to hoses, I think someone may have misled you a bit - the type T hose is compatible with ALL fuel gases, INCLUDING acetylene

Single Line Welding Grade T | Goodyearョ Engineered Products

Hose by Vendor | Parker Industrial | Parker Industrial Siameez Grade T Twin Welding Hose - Series 7109 - Welding

http://www.russet.co.nz/documents/Welding_Hose_What_hose_is_needed.pdf

A heads-up on hose and regulator safety | Processes content from Welding Design & Fabrication

Hope this helps clear things up, and again welcome... Steve


Thanks for the welcome.

Re-read what it says in my original post..no misleading there in the quote.

Only use Grade R hose for use with acetylene gas. Use Grade T hose with propane gas and all fuel gasses."
 
   / Thinking of propylene #24  
Sorry, I read that statement to mean "you can't use anything BUT Grade R hose with acetylene" - as opposed to "Grade R hose should ONLY be used with acetylene, but Grade T can be used with ALL fuel gasses" -

Glad to see we're both saying the same thing, more or less :rolleyes:

Ain't English wunnerful??!? Reminds me of something I saw years ago...

What are you doing here?

What are you doing here?

What are you doing here?

What are you doing here?

What are you doing here?

No wonder there's so many wars... :D Steve
 
   / Thinking of propylene #25  
Someone on another forum suggested the 15 PSI Max. had a huge safety factor... until in one of the controlled experiments it blew up at 18 PSI. He tried to brush this off but how many explosions do you need to convince you to respect the 15 PSI max? Suggesting one brand of torch or regulator is the best is opening a big can of worms. The torch that is the most comfortable in YOUR hands and allows you to do the best work is the best torch for you. Propane uses about a 1-3 ratio to oxygen while acetylene is very close to 1-1. That's why you can weld with acetylene. No other fuel gas gives a neutral flame. Acetylene is more expensive but I've used just about every fuel gas and for cutting, I can do way nicer cuts with acetylene.
 
   / Thinking of propylene #26  
From the link I posted on alternate fuels -

"The real reason is that alternative fuels don't create any shielding gas. Conversely, a proper mixture of oxygen and acetylene with a neutral flame produces CO2, which in turn shields the molten weld puddle from atmospheric contamination."

Actually, since the definition of a "neutral flame" is one that has neither excess oxygen NOR excess fuel, ANY fuel is capable of a neutral flame. This is whether it takes a 1:1 ratio or a 1:15 ratio to accomplish neutral conditions.

Some fuels (like acetylene) make it easier to get to a neutral flame, since acetylene has quite a bit wider range of "richness" vs. flammability - this means that you can set the flame where you want it with fuel only, then add oxygen til the "feathers" go away and STOP, giving you a neutral flame. I was taught to turn up the gas til the flame separates from the tip, then back it down til it "re-connects", then add oxy til the feathers go away. Naturally it helps if you know how MUCH of a flame you want and set pressures close to what you want FIRST (experience helps here)

Other gases require that you "sneak up on it" by lighting a gentle fuel/oxy mix, then alternately turning up gas then oxy, and repeating til you get the flame size you want, finally "tuning" the "feathers" out. No "feathers" on the end of the flame means you are no longer "rich", but if you keep adding oxy past that point, you get a REDUCING flame (oxygen-rich), which is usually a "no-no".

As to acetylene making nicer cuts, I have no firsthand experience with alternate fuels for cutting - out of the 20-odd weldors in our weld shop at work, only about 3-4 of them made the effort to adapt rather than *****, and a couple of those told me they'd found several differences in each of the several gases they tried that required changes in technique in order to get best results. A couple of them told me that once they "got the hang of it", propane was about the same as acetylene (results, NOT technique)

Functionally, propylene looks to be the closest to acetylene for cutting/heating (definitely NOT welding), and maybe even BETTER for HEATING, but after seeing those fire/explosion vids of Praxair and Air Liquide plants, I'm more than nervous about going there, at least until I've had time to explore whether that OP valve issue is now dead.

Now that I have plaz for up to 1" and stick, mig and tig capabilities, heating would be my main use for gas except for the rare occasion when I'd need to cut more than 1", so if I find that it's very expensive to convert to propane, I'll probably do as you and "bite the bullet" once every 4 years or so and refill my #5 acetylene bottle.

I'm sure my choice would be affected if I were in the salvage biz, and went thru a tank or two a week, but I'm not. (In fact, I'm no longer in ANY biz by the end of this month, (retirement) but that's another (joyful) story... Steve
 
   / Thinking of propylene #27  
I've always wondered about the 15psi limit. There's acetylene up to 250psi in the high pressure side of the regulator and the connecting pipe, and valve, so why doesn't it blow up?

I have 7.5 gallons of mapp gas I got in the 1970's. I always prefered acetylene for the faster preheat so hardly ever used it. Now with the high price of acetylene I've been using it, and it's not too much of an inconvenience. Might as well save some money since I already have it. Don't know if they make it anymore.
 
   / Thinking of propylene #28  
bigdeano said:
I've always wondered about the 15psi limit. There's acetylene up to 250psi in the high pressure side of the regulator and the connecting pipe, and valve, so why doesn't it blow up?
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It will if you give it a sharp blow(shock). But as it is inside a heavy metal connector, valve body, and tank, that's hard to do. But the gas that is inside the hose could be slapped arround enough to make it go off.
 
   / Thinking of propylene #29  
"There's acetylene up to 250psi in the high pressure side of the regulator and the connecting pipe, and valve, so why doesn't it blow up?"

That's what the acetone added to the acetylene cylinder does - it's put in first, the amount is dependent on the size of the cylinder, then acetylene added - the acetone dissolves the acetylene, and the resulting compound can be pressurized without the "boom-boom" effect.

http://www.wilhelmsen.com/services/...essroom/Documents/Understanding Acetylene.pdf

Mapp gas - MAPP gas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HTH... Steve
 
   / Thinking of propylene #30  
Acetylene under pressure, ( 250psi )in the tank is why it doesn't blow up..Once you tie it to O2 at 29 psi...It will blow up. The regs go to 15 psi with a wide band of Red Line. it takes about 29 psi touching the athmosphere and that is where it becomes unstable and will blow..Plus Acetylene has the propencity to flash back, pump acetone into your regs if you over draw ( which happens all the time ) and wreck your torch as well. Don't get me wrong, I love Acetylene...I really do but if you don't weld, It is a terrible waste of money and much more dangerous...Switch to propane and or proplyene, chemtane, mapp or the miriad of other Alt. fuels and acetylene will drop in price so fast you wont be able to track it. Just to be fair, I have done Hundreds of Alternate fuel conversions from Acetylene to Alt. Fuels and they always made sense. But...When I went back 6 months later....They were back using Acetylene again. So...Yes Alt fuels are cheaper, cut just as good, Wayyyyy safer and don't have the ability to ruin your torch and regs..Why is that? you tell me but it has been happening for 25 years. I vote propane due to cost, safety and availabillity.
 

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