Thoughts On The 1025R...

[BCBSLICK]

I'm lookin' at a 1025R

I presently have a Kubota 2670 and I am a bit discouraged with it but not enough to go GREEN just for something to do and to spend more money

I am concerned about the glow plug, or heating unit to help the tractor start in cold weather. It appears it stays on the same amount of time in 80 degree weather as -10 degree weather. Any problems with these tractors starting in below zero temperature?...

Any other little bits and pieces about them that I might need to know before I consider trading from Orange to Green?...

The Kubota dealer always let me take the tractor home and try it for a few days. The John Deere dealers says outright, "NO WAY"! I asked if he might have a used one that I could try and then consider purchasing a new one, again, "NO WAY"!

Maybe this guy doesn't really want to deal on trade-ins although I do see Orange, Red, and Blue trade-ins on his used tractor lot...

Any thoughts?...

Thanks...BCB-SLICK

 

[jenkinsph]

What has you discouraged with the Kubota? While I currently have all Deere I would think the two machines are comparable in their abilities for the most part.

 

[williaty]

I am concerned about the glow plug, or heating unit to help the tractor start in cold weather. It appears it stays on the same amount of time in 80 degree weather as -10 degree weather.

Up until it's warm enough it doesn't turn the glow plug on at all, I think you're correct (at least for my 1023e) based on making current measurements out of the battery during the starting sequence. However, if it's quite cold, I just turn the key from off to on a couple of times, letting the glow plug light go out each time and the result is that I can keep the glowplug on for as long as I want to. There's also something turning on (I can see the current draw on the meter) during cranking. I'm not sure if the glowplug lights up again or if there's an intake air heating system on the tractor as well. That's a section of the Technical Manual I haven't gotten around to reading yet.

Any problems with these tractors starting in below zero temperature?

Problems getting it to start period? No. Started every time even down to a cold-soaked -10F.

Now, starting below freezing, it snorts and bellows and staggers around and makes you think it's going to try to kill you or hide in a smoke screen for 15-20 seconds after it starts. The colder it gets, the longer it carries on before settling down. I'm a professional mechanic and so it causes me physical pain to start a cold engine :lol: I'm doing to install the block heater before it gets cold again just to be nice to it, not because it actually needs it.

Any other little bits and pieces about them that I might need to know before I consider trading from Orange to Green?

1) The JD's hydraulic setup is different than the Kubota's. JD gives you full flow to any one SCV but only one at a time vs Kubota's splitting the flow between SCVs so you can run two at once but suffer a performance hit. It's just a different way of dealing with the smaller pumps on everyone's SCUTs.

2) Get the H120 loader, not the D120 loader and the autoconnect mowing deck. ****, get the iMatch while you're at it. You'll find that implements attach and detach from the tractor MUCH faster and easier on the JD than they do on the Kubota if you buy the quick attach versions. The reason this is worth money is that you can do it so quickly you'll only install the tool you're working with RIGHT THEN on the tractor. Since it only takes about a minute to switch, you won't be tempted to do something stupid like leaving the mowing deck on while you work with the loader in the woods. It also helps to make the most of the limited power and weight capacities of all the SCUTs.

3) For some reason many of the dealers don't know how to properly set up the MMM on the 1-series tractors. If it isn't really easy to work with, check out the "how to set it up like your dealer should have" thread on GTT.

 

[TomSeller]

I am not seeing a reason why a change in brands is needed. Cold weather differences in starting is not unique to any brand.

 

[JKR]

I have a 1025R and I got it over the Kubota for many reason like williaty pointed out.
But to change your tractor just because you have a hard time starting in the cold is not a good reason.
Get a engine block heater, always wait until the glow plug go's out and then start the engine. If you start the engine with out waiting for the glow plug to go out you will have a build up of carbon over the glow plug. That will cause you cold weather start.

 

[BCBSLICK]

Yea, I agree on the quick decision to go from Orange to Green...

I have had 4 Kubota, starting with the 18 HP and now at the 26 HP. Things have just begun to drop in quality a bit, yet the tractor works well...

Upon more research on the 1025R, I have noted that it is no longer near the 26 HP mark but closer to 25. It was dropped for emissions or such...

This is not a good selling point for me as the 26 HP I have sometimes grunts and groans with the tiller buried or pulling the plow in harder soils. I think the Deere might do the same or a little more...

My complaint with the Kobota is the difficulty of removing and attaching the deck and the loader. I am getting older now and wrestling that deck is dreadful. The PTO is almost impossible to hook up at times. The loader can be a complete discouragement and I have actually stopped a project that I never got started because of the difficulty of attaching the loader. I am on level ground and it just plain sucks. The clearances are so tight that if one does not drive the tractor to the "exact" location to hook-up, it simply will not adjust by using the bucket to lift the front-end of the tractor. One side enters the boss and the other side misses. The quick couple valves don't release pressure sometimes and it is whack them with a wooden dowel and get oil all over everything--It is just a plain rotten setup...

As far as starting in the winter, I did notice that Deere's heater stays on only a bit. With the Kubota I can hold the key and let it on for 20-30 seconds. I can't imagine the Deere starting at -10 with the heater on about 5 seconds, if even that. But, I have been informed by the dealers it will start--But, I have been informed many things by dealers that simply are not "exactly" true--they skirt the issue in question at times...

Oh well, I mowed over 3 acres with the 2670 yesterday and it is really a **** nice tractor as I think about it. The Deere dealer won't let me try one to see how it compares. Not even a used one. Guess he really doesn't want to sell me one and maybe that is sort of to my advantage as I do more research on the 1025R...

Time will tell...

Thanks all for the replies--more will always be appreciated...

BCB-SLICK

 

[tractorshopper]

BCBSSLICK, that's been my interaction with Deere dealers also. I wanted to look at their SCUT line when first looking at tractors. Went to closest dealer. Asked about them and asked if I could see one because he didn't have any in stock. He quoted me MSRP and told me I could see it as soon as I signed the paperwork and he had got it delivered. No way I'm paying full price and buying something I've never even seen.

Went to another dealer later and asked questions, but they never quote anything but MSRP and won't let you demo them at all if they even have a unit in stock.

They have never wanted my business and have never gotten it either.

My local Kubota dealer has a tag on every piece of equipment with MSRP and their price listed and it's always very fair.

 

[BCBSLICK]

BCBSSLICK, that's been my interaction with Deere dealers also. I wanted to look at their SCUT line when first looking at tractors. Went to closest dealer. Asked about them and asked if I could see one because he didn't have any in stock. He quoted me MSRP and told me I could see it as soon as I signed the paperwork and he had got it delivered. No way I'm paying full price and buying something I've never even seen.

Went to another dealer later and asked questions, but they never quote anything but MSRP and won't let you demo them at all if they even have a unit in stock.

They have never wanted my business and have never gotten it either.

My local Kubota dealer has a tag on every piece of equipment with MSRP and their price listed and it's always very fair.

I'm not sure what all those abbreviations are that you are using, but you are correct...

The Kubota dealer where I have purchased 4 BX series tractors has left me try all on at the property I am planning on mowing. Some have been used, one was new. "Keep 'em a week", he said. And if I had a problem, he let me have another tractor until he resolved the problem, which was literally a day. It was really not worth his effort to allow me a tractor for such a short period of time...

The Deere dealer basically said that they were overrun with buyers and didn't need to do the test stuff at all. He indicated it was up to me to decide if the tractor would do what I wanted it to do...

Oh well, guess that is the way it is when you are in demand...

I do think that John Deere is arrogant as they have a product that is always in view and "American Made". Kubota is considered import and the American Made thing is the "politically correct" way to go--Reckon so...
(But I have a Toyota Tundra and I will match it against any USA truck on the market.)

And so it goes...

BCBSLICK

 

[beenthere]

Take your comments to the Kubota forum. You are in the Deere forum.

We could give a few reasons that you found such responses but you likely know them too.

I could relate my experience the last 6 weeks with the local Kubota dealer but won't, other than to say his comment today about green that it is "that oddball color"

 

[BCBSLICK]

Take your comments to the Kubota forum. You are in the Deere forum.

We could give a few reasons that you found such responses but you likely know them too.

I could relate my experience the last 6 weeks with the local Kubota dealer but won't, other than to say his comment today about green that it is "that oddball color"

Well, O.K.

But I was inquiring about JD in my original post so that is why I came here...

Guess it got more involved than just my original inquiry...

In all honesty, it is like the age old argument of which is better, "The 270 Winchester of the 30-06". I doubt either target knows the difference of what it was hit with!!!...

And so it goes...

Orange is still in my garage and after doing considerable research and pricing, I think it will stay there!!!

Dam* loader attachment thought!!!...

Thanks all...BCBSLICK