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csi4554

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I have a 1998 lk3054 that has been nothing but problems. starter went out at about 95 hours. One Injector at 60 hrs and I'm about to be on my third clutch at 170hrs total use. (NO, I Don't ride with my foot on the clutch). I've had no dealer support since a couple months after my purchase. We recently got a new Kioti dealer in the area, so hopefully I can get with them about parts/service.
The tractor gets to where it does not move at all. I've recently been able to get the clutch adjusted to where it will move so I can get it trailered, but the three point hitch will not move at all. I have adjusted the control knob in both directions, & today I changed out the Hydro filter cartridge. The one I replaced looked clean though..lots of light through it.

I can easily lift the hitch arms up with no resistance, but they immediately fall and will not lift by controls. I have checked the fluid, but I'm really not sure where the fluid level should be. I hear hissing or whinning type noise when I open either oil lid (at gear shift or at rear axle) when engine running. The noise is not noticeable when lids are secured.

How much fluid and what type of fluid is required for the lift to operate. My front end loader seems to work ok. It is somewhat slow, but with increase in rpm levels it works smoothly.

Any suggestions short of getting another tractor would be greatly appreciated.
 
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i have an 02 lk3054 & it has a sight glass on the side of the transmission to check the level.the hissing could be the breather is clogged.my breather is on the back below the seat it is a j shaped black piece of tubing fitted on the the red plug between the lift arms.memory is weak hear but there is a selector valve down buy the brake pedals that needs to be turned when loader valve is installed,but i am not sure if this will affect the 3 point hitch.
 
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sorry to hear you are having problems. most people would say i abuse my tractor almost 400 hrs on mine & adjusted the clutch for the first time back in november.i do a lot of clutching plowing snow & loader work.i have had no real issues other than a front broken drive shaft.$45.00 for new one & 1hr to replace. are you getting oil or grease on your fly wheel or clutch.
 
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Sorry to hear of your problems and all that,but did you say you had an 11 year old tractor with just 170 hours on it?? Or you probably just have used it 170 hours,how many hours does it have? I mean if its got a couple thousand hours....

Thats the chances you take buying anything used,good news is though you could probably spend a little money with a good mechanic,and get it working like new.
 
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Yes Sir, it is a 1998 LK3054, I bought Brand new in April of 1998. It now sits on my property with a little shy of 170 hours on the hour meter. I don't get to use it that often. The Starter went out 2 months after the warranty expired. I did not have internet capabilities then to search online for a starter. The tractor dealer I bought the tractor from stopped selling Kioti and refused to even provide any kind of parts availablity. 8 months and $675.00 later I got the starter issued solved.

For most of the past 3 to 4 years, it has been just about unusable because of the clutch issues. The first clutch went out at about 140 hours. We had no Kioti Dealership within 100 miles of where I live. I could have the new clutch assembly sent to me for around $900.00. A friend of mine tore it apart and I had the cluth plate re-built at a place for about 200.00. That clutch has lasted a little over a year and half and about 20 hours.
I had a heavey diesel/machinery Mechanic friend look at it. he was able to make adjustment and get the tractor to be able move, but said the clutch needs to be replaced. He wasn't familiar with the hydrolic system of Kioti for the 3 point system and is doing research to find out about it, hence is why I joined the forum. I figured I'd give a shout out to see if anyone knew what might be a good place to start checking. I really can not afford to pay a dealer shop labor rates right now, so I'm trying to pin point the possible problem. I'm also currently searching for a 7 x 14 front tire that no one around here stocks. So I'm going to have to wait another week just to get a tire....I'm think I'm about to either junk it or trade it in on a major brand used tractor like a JD or Massey.

Thanks for the post
 
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Sorry to hear about your problems. Most guys with that model sure seem to be happy with them.

I would, however, suggest that you pay the piper and let a good quality dealer fix it for you. Something isn't right there, and a good dealer who has worked on Kioti's for a while would be your best bet to get to the bottom of the real cause. A clutch should last hundreds and hundreds of hours when all is right and it's not being abused.
 
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I agree that you should have a reputable dealer take a look. No way you should be having such clutch problems, it is not a model issue so there is some sort of unresolved service issue. Even if you intend to sell it, get it to a good dealer/mechanic and get it fixed up in order to get a decent sales price.

Where are you? There are a number of great dealers who frequent TBN and might give you more specific advice.
 
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11 years old,170 hours,one owner...with all them problems! Man,I just hope it was a 1998 thing. The three point not lifting,could you tell more,I mean one day it worked and next it didn't or what,did you ever have it come way up high by pushing something or what was you doing with it before when it was working,maybe some info could help a mechanic type on your problem.Do you have power steering,you got a fel?

Clutches if adjusted right,and you don't burn it up by having your foot resting on it and burning it,should last thousands of hours,something is not right there,but best thing that you could do is read up on clutches and clutch adjustments on here,much info,do a general search in all headings,chinese tractors section has a good bit of info on it I know.Than you need to find a tractor place that will do it and garantee their work.Clutches that arn't adjust right or used right will not last long,[not saying thats the problem,but its got to be something like that].
 
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Thanks for you replies... I bought the tractor to maintain 5 acres I live on. Most use is for running the 5' brush cutter and moving dirt around the property. When the clutch went out the first time I noticed (over time) that the tractor began moving slower & slower from a stopped postion. I repeatedly checked to make sure I had I was using proper gears. ...(I'm NOT an expert operator by any means, BUT I have been using tractors since 12 years old for hay bailing,cutting,etc.)

Anyhow, the lk3054 continued getting slower and slower to move forward or in reverse while cutting (no heavy grass) then would not move at all. My 1st thought was maybe a filter was clogged. It was getting close to service time anyway so When I went back to the Dealer I bought it from to buy filters and supplies. I found he no longer handled KIOTI , did not and would not have KIOTI parts. It took months for me to find filters through other suppliers.

After some research I found KIOTI dealers with the closest being 3 to 4 hours away. I did not have the resources nor time available to take the tractor to those dealers. No local tractor dealers here wanted to mess with it because most had never heard of a KIOTI tractor. So I had a mechanic friend agree to replace the clutch in exchange for using it at his place to spread dirt in his drive. We took the clutch assembly to a Houston area shop that rebuilds clutched,transmissions, drive trains on everything from cars , tractors, heavy equipment & semi's. They looked at it and said it looked very similar to the KUBOTA clutch assembley and that they could recondition it with new pads, springs, etc. cost under $200.00.

After installing the new clutch and getting it back from my friend, I used it to mow my weed, brush covered pastures about 2 to 3 hours (wrist watch time)
each time. I used the tractor in this manner maybe 3 or 4 times a month for probably a year. I drive a manual and have done so most of my life, but nonetheless a consciencely and purposely made sure I kept my foot off the clutch pedal at all times except to change gears or to start/stop the PTO.

Shortly before Hurricane IKE came in my son & I were using the tractor to prepare the property for landfall when I noticed the tractor was getting sluggish on take off again. During this use I was using the brush hog as a platform to move stuff like horse feeders, dog houses and other junk laying around. Nothing really heavy, but large enough that I could not just carry. During all this the 3 Point hitch began (fairly rapidly) getting sluggish about lifting the brush cutter, then would not raise at all. I turned the adjustment knob multiple times both directions..with no movement.
After about 1 1/2 hours of using the tractor, while in forward motion, (low range 2nd gear) without applying the brakes or clutch the tractor slowed to a stop and would not move. Forward or backwards in any gear.
I tried to move the tractor once forward and once in reverse without success. I then parked it and haven't messed with it (other than starting the engine to run for 20 or 30 minutes at least once a week)

A few days ago I mentioned the tractor delima to another mechanic friend I know to be very,very experience in heavy equipment (dozer,trackhoe,etc) repair. I know he is a certified techinican in many areas of diesel, heavy equipment & automotive repair. In other words, he's not a shade tree mechanic. He also wants to use the tractor to move dirt so He offered to look at it for me. He came over and checked the tractor out. He made some adjustments to the clutch linkage and we were able to get the tractor to move, but he believed the clutch was like nearly DOA and needed to be replaced. He briefely looked at the 3 point hitch, but due to being unfamiliar with KIOTI's hydrolic system was hesitant to say much about it until he could learn something about its set up. He asked that I check out forums to see if anyone new about diagnosing the pump system for the hitch.

We now have a new KIOTI dealer in our area. I have asked them about it. They tell me the standard " bring it in & let us look at it".

The problem I have with that is I don't know these people, or their business practices. I'm in the Auto service industry business and know how a great deal of mechanic shops operate. The standard response is bring in to "look at it". I understand the priciple behind say that , but "to look at it " in most cases (NOT ALL) means "to tear it down" . Once its apart...I have no options but to pay whatever they charge to get it back together. I know this because I ususally end up with their customers at my business. I'm not saying this dealer would do this...I just don't know enough about them to risk the kind of money that could be involved.

I have repair OPTIONS available and now that the new KIOTI dealer has opened near me, I have parts availability. Which I will gladly use to purchase parts from. What I'm in need of is suggestions to complete the process of elimination for repair solutions.

I apologize for the length but I couldn't sum it up much shorter....Thanks again for the replies
 
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That is a pretty detailed "summary" and puts things into perspective. I don't know enough myself about the LK3054 to give specific advice. It certainly is intriguing that the clutch and hydraulics appear to have failed almost simultaneously and in addition it is odd that you have had any clutch trouble at all with this machine given the way you have used it and the low hours. Other than waiting for some of the experienced dealers on TBN to pipe up (you could also PM them for advice), my recommendation remains to take it to the new Kioti dealer. I understand your reluctance but if you make clear that you are not giving them carte blanche to rip into your tractor that is still your best option right now. The concern I would have is that if they are a new Kioti dealership they may actually have very little experience with the LK3054 as that is no longer a big seller (?even still available). That generation of Kioti's were pretty basic traditional tractors however so maybe there is a long established Kubota dealer or other long standing dealership that you could look into as well. If I were in your shoes I'd first talk with the active TBN dealers (Michigan Iron, KiotiDave, Wallace, (others too)) and get their general advice on how to proceed.
 

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