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tiltmeter meeting
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bpence,
Thank you for your EXTREMELY usefull comments and ideas.
I have already started using some of it. AND I already have
a new name to follow up with at the o.e.m. Many more to come
I hope. I get so tired and discouraged sometimes, but you
guys never fail to refuel the fires. TALLY HO. Rick
Thank you for your EXTREMELY usefull comments and ideas.
I have already started using some of it. AND I already have
a new name to follow up with at the o.e.m. Many more to come
I hope. I get so tired and discouraged sometimes, but you
guys never fail to refuel the fires. TALLY HO. Rick
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BobT
And thank you sir. The ball is rolling.
Rick
BobT
And thank you sir. The ball is rolling.
Rick
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Re: tiltmeter
Gee, I didn't want to be the only person not to comment on Tiltmeters. Rick, Don't forget to mention to the OEM folk that at least one production SUV (Nissan Patrol???) comes with a dash mounted clinometer (tiltmeter) to show degree of lean left-right and instructions of how to use it (only when stopped so acceleration effects are elliminated). Looks like an artificial horizon instrument out of an aircraft. So apparently some manufacturers aren't afraid to risk arming users with a safety device and advice on how to use it safely. Has Nissan gone out of business lately?
Good luck,
Patrick
Gee, I didn't want to be the only person not to comment on Tiltmeters. Rick, Don't forget to mention to the OEM folk that at least one production SUV (Nissan Patrol???) comes with a dash mounted clinometer (tiltmeter) to show degree of lean left-right and instructions of how to use it (only when stopped so acceleration effects are elliminated). Looks like an artificial horizon instrument out of an aircraft. So apparently some manufacturers aren't afraid to risk arming users with a safety device and advice on how to use it safely. Has Nissan gone out of business lately?
Good luck,
Patrick
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Hi Patrick,
Excellent point!!!!! This will be added to my list of
reasons for the o.e.m.s Once I get all of this info.
compiled I hope to be able to put it into a professional
format, that is simple but to the point. Anyone out there
good at this ????? I might even send info. to a few
magazines as an editorial. Maybe some will print. If any of
the big o.e.m.s see it, it might help. I might start
contacting a few today, to see if they might print opinions
shown here, and direct them to this site. Again, anyone good
at writing the article ????? Or I will write it and see if
Muhammad would let me post it for you all to review.
Meanwhile, PLEASE keep the opinions coming. The more ammo
the better. I have had outstanding support here, but there
are alot of members that have not given an opinion. They
are all appreciated. Maybe together, we can get the big
guys attention. To be fair, if anyone does not think there
is a need for the tiltmeters, I need to know this also.
Rick
Hi Patrick,
Excellent point!!!!! This will be added to my list of
reasons for the o.e.m.s Once I get all of this info.
compiled I hope to be able to put it into a professional
format, that is simple but to the point. Anyone out there
good at this ????? I might even send info. to a few
magazines as an editorial. Maybe some will print. If any of
the big o.e.m.s see it, it might help. I might start
contacting a few today, to see if they might print opinions
shown here, and direct them to this site. Again, anyone good
at writing the article ????? Or I will write it and see if
Muhammad would let me post it for you all to review.
Meanwhile, PLEASE keep the opinions coming. The more ammo
the better. I have had outstanding support here, but there
are alot of members that have not given an opinion. They
are all appreciated. Maybe together, we can get the big
guys attention. To be fair, if anyone does not think there
is a need for the tiltmeters, I need to know this also.
Rick
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Re: tiltmeter
Rick - This is off topic somewhat, but I'll tell you what I'd love to see, though it's probably a project you'll want to shelve until you get through the current marketing barriers that we've been talking about. The last thing you need is an expensive R&D project right now. Anyway:
I'd love to see a small waterproof "black box" sensor module that could be mounted anywhere containing side-to-side and front-to-back sensors in it. It would have either an integrated beeper or outputs for one. There would also be a waterproof gauge module with dual LED gauges and 2 knobs or setscrews to adjust the beeper warning angles. I've got some other ideas about it, but that's the whole concept in a nutshell. TiltMeter II! E-TiltMeter!
MarkC
Rick - This is off topic somewhat, but I'll tell you what I'd love to see, though it's probably a project you'll want to shelve until you get through the current marketing barriers that we've been talking about. The last thing you need is an expensive R&D project right now. Anyway:
I'd love to see a small waterproof "black box" sensor module that could be mounted anywhere containing side-to-side and front-to-back sensors in it. It would have either an integrated beeper or outputs for one. There would also be a waterproof gauge module with dual LED gauges and 2 knobs or setscrews to adjust the beeper warning angles. I've got some other ideas about it, but that's the whole concept in a nutshell. TiltMeter II! E-TiltMeter!
MarkC
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Re: tiltmeter
Rick, another avenue you may want to pursue, if you haven't already is to, what I would call, quasi-mass market to the tractor dealer body. If you hit the major tractor manufacturer websites you can get dealer locations and addresses for particular states. Create a small data base for each brand that'll allow you to generate a personalized letter for each particular dealership. It might be worth a mailing to Kubota, JD, NH dealers describing and offering your products to them. There would be a definable cost associated with this so you wouldn't have to blow your total marketing budget and you might even consider including a sample tiltmeter so they can touch the product and begin to see the value.
In the auto industry, many of the options you see on vehicles today began as dealer or other supplier installed aftermarket items. Tractor dealers also sell a lot of "stuff" and this is one of those things that could have a dealer logo imprinted on it and be used as a "thank you" for buying from me, a tractor birthday mail-out, used in a sales display in the sales area or on the parts counter, or probably 100 different uses.
Again, from a marketing perspective you could define the cost associated with this initiative (important) and could easily measure (real important) the take rate on the offer to various manufacturer's tractor dealers. Maybe try it with a "test" group of each manufacturer's dealers in selected states. Heck, you might even find dealers that install it as a dealer installed accessory on all of their stock unit tractors.
Just a thought. Use it if it works for you.
Bob Pence
Rick, another avenue you may want to pursue, if you haven't already is to, what I would call, quasi-mass market to the tractor dealer body. If you hit the major tractor manufacturer websites you can get dealer locations and addresses for particular states. Create a small data base for each brand that'll allow you to generate a personalized letter for each particular dealership. It might be worth a mailing to Kubota, JD, NH dealers describing and offering your products to them. There would be a definable cost associated with this so you wouldn't have to blow your total marketing budget and you might even consider including a sample tiltmeter so they can touch the product and begin to see the value.
In the auto industry, many of the options you see on vehicles today began as dealer or other supplier installed aftermarket items. Tractor dealers also sell a lot of "stuff" and this is one of those things that could have a dealer logo imprinted on it and be used as a "thank you" for buying from me, a tractor birthday mail-out, used in a sales display in the sales area or on the parts counter, or probably 100 different uses.
Again, from a marketing perspective you could define the cost associated with this initiative (important) and could easily measure (real important) the take rate on the offer to various manufacturer's tractor dealers. Maybe try it with a "test" group of each manufacturer's dealers in selected states. Heck, you might even find dealers that install it as a dealer installed accessory on all of their stock unit tractors.
Just a thought. Use it if it works for you.
Bob Pence
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Re: tiltmeter
MarkC,
Hi Mark, I do have a small black box switch module now,
but it is for switching a circuit side to side only. I have
experimented with a dual axis module, but it is not yet
perfected. Do you want to be the one to test one?????
It works independently from the indicator, and can be
mounted anywhere. However it has a small green l.e.d. light
that comes on with power. Red l.e.d. comes on when beeper
comes on. It will also control a relay that can turn on/off
circuits. Not sure if adjustable is feasable yet. Don't want
someone to remove it and put on something different, or sell
the tractor and new operator not know how to adjust and get
hurt. The one I have now is adjustable, but takes a few
minutes to adjust. Will send one to you to test when done
if you like. No problem if you would rather not.
Thanks for your ideas and help. Rick
MarkC,
Hi Mark, I do have a small black box switch module now,
but it is for switching a circuit side to side only. I have
experimented with a dual axis module, but it is not yet
perfected. Do you want to be the one to test one?????
It works independently from the indicator, and can be
mounted anywhere. However it has a small green l.e.d. light
that comes on with power. Red l.e.d. comes on when beeper
comes on. It will also control a relay that can turn on/off
circuits. Not sure if adjustable is feasable yet. Don't want
someone to remove it and put on something different, or sell
the tractor and new operator not know how to adjust and get
hurt. The one I have now is adjustable, but takes a few
minutes to adjust. Will send one to you to test when done
if you like. No problem if you would rather not.
Thanks for your ideas and help. Rick
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Re: tiltmeter
Bob,
Again, an excellent idea from you guys. I will try to start
on this idea soon also. Budget is not as big a problem as
time and knowledge of this %$#&*)! computer. Thanks, Rick
Bob,
Again, an excellent idea from you guys. I will try to start
on this idea soon also. Budget is not as big a problem as
time and knowledge of this %$#&*)! computer. Thanks, Rick
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Re: tiltmeter
Rick - What kind of display are you using to show the degree of tilt? Or does it not send signals to a display at all, like the current single-axis beeper model I have? Would I be interested in testing such a module? You betcha! As long as you think I'm qualified... (I could maybe come up with some scenarios for more extreme usage of my tractor, just for you.)
What I'd really love to see at a future date is the LED meter type readout of degree of tilt in both directions, i.e. a totally electronic tiltmeter.
MarkC
Rick - What kind of display are you using to show the degree of tilt? Or does it not send signals to a display at all, like the current single-axis beeper model I have? Would I be interested in testing such a module? You betcha! As long as you think I'm qualified... (I could maybe come up with some scenarios for more extreme usage of my tractor, just for you.)
What I'd really love to see at a future date is the LED meter type readout of degree of tilt in both directions, i.e. a totally electronic tiltmeter.
MarkC
