Tiny Tillers

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My wife is 4' 11" and wanted a little tiller for her flower beds and small garden. I did some research on Epinions and other places and ended up getting the Honda 1.5 HP 4-stroke tiller. This thing was a little pricey at $300, but the quality is obvious, and it is a mean little machine. My small wife is able to start it with ease. It came with transport wheels, but it is so light they aren't even needed.

She has taken it to my Mother's and tilled a flower bed, and to my sister-in-law's house and tilled some stuff. Its highly portable, no oil/gas to mix, and will run an hour on a cupfull of gas.

All of the tilling was done on ground that had not previously been tilled or broken up - there was grass and other plants that she had to till through - no problem.

It tends ot hop around a little on hard ground, but you learn how to handle it so it digs in and the hopping stops.
 
   / Tiny Tillers #22  
My wife got a Mantis about 7 years ago. It tills fine, although it does bounce around in hardpan. It will head for low earth orbit if it gets on a rock. It started good until this spring, and I found a diaphragm in the carb was torn. I've been waiting 2 weeks now for a rebuild kit. I'm sure glad we didn't need it for planting, and hope it gets fixed before time to cultivate. Next one I get will be a four stroke with a real carburator that has a float instead of a diaphragm.
 
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Alan,I dated a girl who was 5'2" and used to suffer separation anxiety, looking all around, wondering where I lost her in a crowd only to find her standing right against my side just below my line of sight. I'm not THAT tall, just 6'2" + western boots. I do thank you for supplying the wife size data as I can use that for leverage when my 5'7" wife complains about tilling/cultivating.

Anyway, about the cute little (I mean compact) Honda Harmony tiller. I drove over a hundred miles round trip to get one yesterday evening and got home in time to put it together and fire it up. Gave it one sorta "just testing" kind of pull and then gave a moderate yank to see what would happen. Fired right up. Switched off the choke and went to work. It is way too quiet to require the operator to wear muffs. Even at full throttle it isn't very loud or obnoxious.

The crank case holds about a thimble and a half of oil (Bottle of oil supplied in box). The supplied wheels work well on pavement or smooth ground but to go across a yard or traverse a span of soft dirt, just run at an intermediate throttle position, enough to engage the clutch but not so fast you have to run with it to keep if from digging. If you keep up with it it rolls along on the tines with no worries.

I'm sure the Mantis is a fine machine even if noisy. I think I like the wheels, 4 stroke low emissions motor, and the real quiet running of this Honda. My wife isn't a rock but her tripple major in Psychology, Sociology, and Anthropology didn't do much to equip her to deal with machines. I would always worry that she would fuel a 2 stroke with straight gas and burn it up. She managed to put gas in her diesel Mercedes once and another time took the advice of a guy who said, "its ok to drive while holding the key in the start position since you only have a few miles to go." Ballast resistor burned out in my Sunbeam Tiger while she was using it. It would start but die when you let key return to run position. She made almost half a mile before the starter melted.

Gotta go till the garden.

Patrick
 
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Carl, I probably paid more than required to get a tiller. There are a lot of them in pawn shops. Home Depot carries the "yard Machine" brand for $179 but I went to get the Honda and I came back with the Honda. It wold have to be electric to be quieter and the extension cord would be a killer. Mantis does sell an electric.

Patrick
 
   / Tiny Tillers #25  
Patrick,

Sounds like you like your honda tiller. Also had a few laughs reading your previous post on Sunbeams and MB. I have MB diesel and always fill it up myself insure that doesn't happen,
as my wife, dear as she is, seems to be somewhere else some of the time.

Happy tilling,

Carl
 
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Carl, I view the Honda Harmony 1.5 HP mini-tiller/cultivator with mixed emotions. It starts easily, runs quietly even under full throttle, has no visible exhaust plume, maneuvers easily, cultivates previously tilled dirt pretty well. It certainly beats what it replaces, a hoe, by quite a margin. The only down side I've seen so far is the number of passes it takes to cultivate a fair sized area but a larger unit would be a liability in close quarters. I sure hope I don't do something stupid like buy a third tiller for those awkward in between sized jobs. So far my wife is sort of afraid of the little beastie. Maybe I will be able to coach and cajole her into trying to do some easy straight along in between the rows stuff and leave the between plants in the row job to me.

Yeah, the Sunbeam Tiger was an eminently practical "investment." Yet another realization of buy high - sell low. Bought it new in '66, put on the required 1000 miles and took it in to the dealership to have it retrofitted with all the dealer add on performance options. The goodies all came in boxes marked Sunbeam so it was still considered "stock." Off came the cast iron intake and exhaust manifolds to be replaced with tuned equal length welded steel tubing headers with dumps and a special high rise aluminum intake manifold designed by Vic Edelbrock to allow a Holley competition 4 barrel carb to replace the stock two barrel without having to put a scoop or bubble in the hood. Off with the stock Ford distributor to be replaced with the Ford twin point racing distributor. R&R the hydraulic valve lifters and stock Mustang cam with solid lifters and the HiPo Mustang cam.

Of the 5 available rear ends, I selected the 2.88 to 1 for a top speed of 165 MPH (while indicating 150 on the speedo and making revs for 150). At those speeds, tire expansion bought you an extra 10% over indicated. Conservative shift points were approximately 60, 90, and 120 MPH. The brochure they put out on the car claimed a sustained cruising speed of 125 with top speed of 165. They weren't wrong.

Later when circumstances required me to drive my 1943 Ford Jeep as a home to work to school vehicle I had to put the hydraulic lifters and stock cam back in to tame it down a bit for my wife to use it to commute to and from work in traffic. It still wasn't entirely tame. In addition to all the performance equipment mentioned previously, also when the car was new, I replaced the stock Ford ignition coil with a Judsen Electronic magneto for MORE spark. It ate ballast resistors so frequently that I carried spares in the trunk and a set of aligator clip leads to allow jumping in a new resistor within 30 seconds of failure.

Symptoms of failure were typically: starts right up but dies when you release the ignition key and it returns to the run position from the start position. So you start it again and it dies again and so forth. This is when I open the trunk (boot? It was a British car even if it had a Ford Mustang racing engine) and get a spare resistor to clip on to get me going again till I take the time to use tools for a proper install.

Unfortunately this is when my wife made the tactical error of asking a MAN (they know about cars, right?) if it would be OK to drive home (15 miles) holding the key because it runs ok that way. The bozo says yes, less than a mile later the starter melts, she is stranded, and I am once again overjoyed to take over in the wake of some idiot guys stupid comment that my fairly normal, college educated, but overly trusting wife followed. Ranks right up there with plugging the sink drain by putting Saran Wrap through the disposer. Saran Wrap is just plastic paper and you can put a little paper down the disposer, right?

Now you see the training challenge involving the mini-tiller.

Oh, yeah, MB... Note: At filling stations, 99.9 % or more of the fuel pumps with green plastic on the handle are Diesel. Every so often one is gasoline (we live in a perverse universe). I sold a diesel truck to a friend who was delighted to get it and loved my after market mods, including the large rear diesel fuel tank (45 gal) until he was on vacation and found one of the 0.1% pumps. Then instead of 25 gal of #2 diesel and 10 gal of regular unleaded, he had 45 gal of "TOXIC WASTE" which the full service station with mechanics would not drain. He finished the vacation, pulling a travel trailer, on the stock 19 gal front tank (and making frequent fuel stops). The good ending was: I gave him the 35 gal plastic tank out of my new Dodge 1 ton (I put in a 65 gal tank) to store his WASTE until he could give it away for parts cleaner, fire starter for beach bonfires, stump soaker/killer, etc.

While waiting to get started with the give away program, it was stolen by someone moving from his semi-rural neighborhood with their diesel pickup and a rented diesel Ryder van. Both the personal truck and the rental acted like normal diesels the day before they left but on the day of departure both were running very very ragged. Somehow In my perversity, I just loved that and told him to forget about the tank, it went for a good cause.

Final MB comment: My best buddy's older brother has driven MB diesels for decades and claims to have been waiting all that time for the opportunity to say this one phrase that he thought would be appropriate and funny. One day he stopped in traffic and a guy just bumped him a bit on the fender. The guy runs up all worried and my bud's brother runs the power window down and says to him, "Oh well, that's the way the Mercedes bends."

Patrick
 
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Fishman, Thanks for the lead. I'm not a real savy ebay kinda guy but I went there and saw a tiller with a real low price but (reserve not met yet - buy it now for $305). I bought one a couple weeks back and it is a good unit. Starts easy, 4 stroke (no gas-oil mixing), real quiet running - ear protection not required unless maybe if you really thrash it at full throtle for an extended time, tilled (culltivated, already tractor tilled) a 45X180 garden about 3 times on a tank of gas (quart?) and didn't run out yet. Easy carry handle but for greater distances I just tilt it forward and feather the throttle and let it walk on its tines, a fast walk but manageable. Can go over hoses and soakers like this with no problems. It doesn't completely eliminate hand work with a hoe but it cuts it way WAY W__A__Y back.

I have never used a Mantis but it would have to be a mechanical miracle to be better. I know from reputation the Mantis is a quality unit but its two stroke is a noisy beast and only a couple pounds lighter so I went for the Honda Harmony. They stock them at the Orange Box (Home Depot) cheaper than I found them on-line except for maybe eBay which seemed iffy. Low prices posted on eBay but (RESERVE NOT MET!!) plus shipping and handling and more difficulty if you have a problem.

I am quite pleased with the Honda. A tiller can only be so good without requiring ESP interface and computer control and I suspect the Honda and Mantis to be essentially functionally equivalent except the Honda is a couple pounds heavier and many many dB quieter and you don't have to mix the gas and oil. I already have two different mixes required for a weed eater and a chainsaw and don't want to have to store a third blend. But even if gas considerations were removed I'd go Honda for the q u i e t.

Patrick
 
   / Tiny Tillers #29  
I have the Electric Ryobi quick disconnect system. The cultivator works well for working between plants in formerly tilled soil.
 
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Ozarker, Well that sure is another way to avoid having to have yet another gas/oil mix around the place to go stale or get used in the wrong machine. I bet it is even quieter than the cute lil Honda too. That wasn't much of an alternative for us as it would have required over 300 ft of extension cord to get to the far end of the garden. Course, if I were really hot for it, I could get some direct burrial cable and put an outlet down by the garden. Still would need over 100 ft of extension cord and a helper to help manipulate it to avoid mowing down plants with the cord. There are cordless too but... I'm happy with the Honda. It is plenty "GREEN" as it meets the new C.A.R.B. and E.P.A. requirements.

I like the multi-use philosophy, especially when successfuly done with few poor compromises. Maybe I could remove the tines on the Honda harmony and run a pully belt off the shaft to power other items like a paddle boat for the larger of my ponds, add power assist to one of our mountain bikes, run a blender when away from electric power but you want a beverage requiring a blender for proper manufacture (think shake or slushie, I don't do many Marguritas). There is an outfit selling a recoil starter gas engine powered blender for tailgate parties. I think it uses a weed eater type motor. Saw it a couple places, one was TDR ("Turbo Diesel Review", a really good quarterly publication for Cummins diesel powered Dodge trucks).

Patrick
 

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