Tires Tricks !

/ Tires Tricks ! #1  

Temp97

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Putting tires back on the rim and I can never seem to get the tire bead to take hold. I talking mainly about lawn mower/trailer tires etc.. Nothing real big. Any tricks on how to make this process easier. Although I don't plan on doing this, but I heard and seen a short video of people spraying ether inside the tire and lighting it. BAM - explosion seals it. The video I had seen the tire took off around the garage!


Thanks
 
/ Tires Tricks ! #2  
A rope or strap wrapped around the center of the tire tread and then tightened has a tendency to spread the beads outward. This should help you get the inflation started, but remember to loosen the strap before you get too much air in it.
David from jax
 
/ Tires Tricks ! #3  
I forget what they call it, but the parts store will have that sticky gell that goes on the beed of the tire to make is seal easy and help with bad seals.
Much safer than the ether and easier too.
 
/ Tires Tricks ! #4  
Similar to what sandman said, I have used a 1" ratchet strap around the tire to help seal the bead and try removing the valve stem while doing this. After the bead is sealed replace the valve stem and remove the strap before inflating the tire.
 
/ Tires Tricks ! #5  
And the trick is putting air in the tire quicker than it can escape through the bead. This means taking the valve stem out while seating the bead and using a compressor with a tank for high volume. A 12v compressor will not seat a leaking bead.
 
/ Tires Tricks ! #6  
There is only one way in my opinion to put a tire back on the bead, and that's with this thing.
http://www.autobarn.net/xxxw-tsich-5.html

I've used it all, Murphy’s oil soap, the strap, etc etc., and this is the quickest, cleanest most efficient way to do it. Also the most expensive I might add.
BUT, when you need it done and done fast and in the field, nothing compares.

I had three of my guys who worked a half hour with the strap deal and got nowhere, that cost me a lot of labor so I'm saving money with the Cheeta at it's high price.

I had a tire come off the bead in the field, brought out the tank fired it and it was on in seconds, and I was back on the job. Otherwise it would have to come off and go in for service etc.etc. NOT seconds.

I have many two wheeler dolly's with pneumatic tires that are always coming off the rim, BAM, back on in seconds.

For me it's an invaluable tool. If it's good enough for the tire shop - it's good enough for me.

You could make one for less, but I don't have the time or the talent.
 
/ Tires Tricks ! #7  
I've used a chain around the tire center then used a ratcheting chain fall to tighten the chain expanding the bead to the rim. Then with the valve stem removed, apply air from shop compressor. Once it seats just undo the ratchet to loosen the chain, put the stem back in and fill to needed pressure.
 
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I use Tallyhoe's method on the tires described, If I used the Cheater tank on most mower tires, it would just blow them around.

I also hate the bead sealer usually, as it can cause other problems down the road.

Bullets and random thoughts below, some all the time, some dependent on situation.

FIRST, Pull the valve core, have a large volume of air available (full tank) and I use a non-safety type blow gun. Often, this is all it takes.

Warmer, softer tires usually seat better.

Have weight off the tire, do not try and catch a bead with the tire held to the side by the weight of the mower.

Push, or pull, back and forth on the tire, sometimes while blowing into it with the blowgun, to get the bead to "hang" and start inflating.

You can use tire soap, or other stout liquid to form a temp seal.

Rope, chains, straps et al can be wrapped around the tire and tensioned as many others have mentioned, I personally do not have good luck with that.

ON some specialty tires, (in my case motorcycle trials tubeless tires) they make a big O-ring that goes in the void space after being well lubed, and it allows the air to stay in, it pops it out as the tire seats against the wheel, sometimes with a little persuaion. Sometimes, you can use a bicycle inner tube to fill that void and then pull it out as the tire bites. For those of you who are interested but have no earthly idea what I am poorly trying to describe, go to page 19 of this PDF document. http://www.shercousa.com/pdfs/tubeless_tire_changing_manual.pdf

The tires should be well lubed with your lubricant of choice. You will hear all sorts of recipies for what is proper, but in my book, $5 a gallon for the formulated tire mounting lube, probably had the same gallon on my shelf 10 years, money well spent (and I do a lot of tires) for me.

If you are doing many of these small tires, the small tire machine from northern or HF is worth it's weight in gold too me. Nothing like wrestling around on the floor trying to get a grip on them.

If it is a new tire, prior to trying to mount it, put spacers between the beads for a couple of days to get them spread out a bit and avoid the problem before it happens.

If it is a ZTR and you keep knocking the tire off the bead on the front's, quit fighting, admit defeat and stick in tubes or foam..... I like tubes, never had a foam that worked well.... Wife gets PISSED when I put in a tube though as when she has a flat, she has to get it back to me to get fixed....

You have a particular one you are having a problem with, or is this a more open ended general question?
 
/ Tires Tricks ! #11  
I have to vote for the bead cheeta also. I even owned a rim clamp coates tire machine briefly that had jets that blasted air from underneath the tire. I didn't like it, the bead cheeta works pretty near everytime though. It's spendy but does the job. Do like the others advised and remove valve core and have a clip on chuck shooting air in and then give a blast with the cheeta. bjr
 
/ Tires Tricks ! #12  
Either and a match is the fun way!!! but to be safe Tallyho8's method works great, just put a little soapy water around the bead.

Next time you have new tires put on your car or truck watch the tire mounting process. Takes about 90secs for those guys to mount and air up a tire, with no fancy tricks, straps, or gizmos.

Quote: "I had three of my guys who worked a half hour with the strap deal and got nowhere, that cost me a lot of labor so I'm saving money with the Cheeta at it's high price"

I'd be finding me three new workers!!
 

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