Tool Cat vs. RTV

   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #2  
Dave,

Yes to all 3.

The Tool Cat is in a league of its own. Most of us found it overkill unless we parted with other toys. It looks like it could do everything most everything a CUT, UTV and skidsteer could do.
 
   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #3  
The Toolcat is built with commercial application in mind. According to a local Bobcat dealer he sold a few to school districts. They could be used for plowing, moving, seeding, and other stuff. It replaced a lot of other equipment the school was using.

I think this vehicle falls into the Commercial Utility market. (Like the Pro Gator and the Big Toro)
 
   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #4  
I agree with the other comments above....the RTV is the most serious workhorse of the Utility crowd, but the Tool Cat is in a league of it's own (at least here in the US). There are some European machines in somewhat similar class.

If I was starting from scratch at this point I would give it serious consideration. Seems like it does a lot of things well.

I think that the original owner of my PT-1845 (Richard in CT or NY) moved up to a PT-1860, then to a Tool Cat.
 
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#5  
Hi Rip,

How do Bobcat attachments compare to Powertrac attachments? Are they more durable? Do they cost more?

The thing I like is that Bobcat attachments should be more universal and standard to the construction industry. There should be numerous attachments out there in the marketplace. There is a place just up the road who sells skidsteer attachments (also sells on ebay).

I wonder if I could get a mower or a dozer blade for the front end. Sounds like I may have to pay a visit to the dealer.

Yooper Dave
 
   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #6  
Yes, Bobcat makes both a finish mower and a brushhog. About $3,500 each though. The great thing is that if you need an attachment for a short time, you can rent it from the local bobcat dealer or rental yard.

This thing is available with air-conditioning as well!!!
 
   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #7  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Yes, Bobcat makes both a finish mower and a brushhog. About $3,500 each though. The great thing is that if you need an attachment for a short time, you can rent it from the local bobcat dealer or rental yard.

This thing is available with air-conditioning as well!!! )</font>

I've attached a photo of my mowing deck...it works great! As you mentioned, any attachments you don't use frequently can be rented from a rental yard as one needs them.
 

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#9  
Hi Dean,

How many attachments did you buy with the Tool Cat?

What did you pay?

Are you glad you bought it - would you do it again?

Thanks

Yooper Dave
 
   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #10  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Hi Dean,

How many attachments did you buy with the Tool Cat?

What did you pay?

Are you glad you bought it - would you do it again?

Thanks


Yooper Dave )</font>

The basic machine was $32,000 with enclosed cab with heat & air.
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As far as attachments, I purchased the 72" mowing deck, hydraulic angle broom, and pallet forks. I can rent any other Bobcat attachment that strikes my fancy from the local rental yard. Also support from the local Bobcat dealer has been awesome.

I absolutely love this machine and would make the same choice in a heartbeat.
 
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#11  
I can get a used 2004 Toolcat with cab, 8' dozer blade and a material bucket for $27,000 delivered to my door. The unit has 100-150 hours on it (like new) - sight unseen.

I will get the VIN & do some more checking.

Can the Toolcat run a grapple bucket, or do I need additional hydraulics in the front?

I am also curious how sharp the Toolcat can turn. Must be quite a bit sharper than a RTV but not as sharp as a wheel loader?

Is the transmission hydraulic also - HST?

Thanks for your input.

Yooper Dave
 
   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #12  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I can get a used 2004 Toolcat with cab, 8' dozer blade and a material bucket for $27,000 delivered to my door. The unit has 100-150 hours on it (like new) - sight unseen.

I will get the VIN & do some more checking.

Can the Toolcat run a grapple bucket, or do I need additional hydraulics in the front?

I am also curious how sharp the Toolcat can turn. Must be quite a bit sharper than a RTV but not as sharp as a wheel loader?

Is the transmission hydraulic also - HST?

Thanks for your input.

Yooper Dave )</font>

Hi Dave,

Sounds like a good deal for the used Toolcat.

I'm not sure what the turning radius is for an RTV but a skid steer has a 14' outside diameter...the Toolcat in all wheel steer mode has a 17' outside turning diameter.

The Toolcat will run a grapple bucket. It runs just about any standard flow hydraulic Bobcat attachment and has an auxiliary hydraulic system on the front loader arm (17 gpm @ 3000 psi). Bobcat makes grapple forks & buckets but you might be able to get one cheaper from another manufacturer. (Also, check on E Bay for these.)

It does have a hydrostatic drive transmission.

Here's a useful link for all interested:

Bobcat Toolcat Specs
 
   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #13  
Arent they awfully heavy for the size of tire they have. In other words very high ground pressure and low ground clearance.

Aside from that and not operating one, I have always liked the machine.
 
   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #14  
Hi everyone...
Yeah - I know I promised I'd be back with feedback long before this!

Well, I've been using my Toolcat here in S.E Queensland, Australia for the best part of five months now. Here are my thoughts:

Great machine but too light in the bum! I have constant traction problems (am currently building a 'weight box' that hangs off the tow bar to give me some low down weight which, I hope, will give me low down grunt.

I'd strongly recommend anyone buy the turbo rather than the 44hp model. I do a lot of work in hilly terrain and the machine often loses power at the wrong time (is there ever a right time???)

I have a 4 in 1 bucket, ripping tynes (*), a heavy duty, twin head slasher capable of cutting through two inch hardwood, a 6ft root rake, a 100 litre spray unit and an auger and bits.

(*) The unit can't dig to save it's life (or mine anyway) - hence the tynes to break up the area prior to moving the soil. Mind you, no wheeled skidsteer can dig either. Only the Positrack type machines have any digging ability purely because of their enhanced traction.

I do contract vegetation management. The Toolcat is a good allrounder capable of doing many tasks well, but few brilliantly. On the other hand, if I was a dairy or chicken farmer, I couldn't think of any machine that would be 20% the equal of the Toolcat!

I run a Positrack RC50 as well and find between the two, I've got all bases covered.

Other thoughts:
When I first got the machine, I felt it was unstable/likely to fall over at the first opportunity. I put another operator in it and watched from the outside and discovered that it was only my perception - certainly not reality. The Toolcat is a very stable machine easily able to tackle very steep and difficult terrain (subject to operator stupidity)! The suspension is - I think - the reason for the perception of instability.

Like all utililies, it needs the proverbial 'bag of concrete in the tray to get it to behave - hence my weight box (which will have lead ingots in it)!

Anyone using a GP bucket needs to find someone to sell it too and get a 4 - in - 1 instead. One is toy, the other is a tool.

The machine uses a lot more fuel than I would have expected when I am slashing. Admittedly, the slasher needs full power to get the necessary tip speed of 11,000 ft per minute. None-the-less, I still consider 8+ litres per hour excessive.

The 'gear lever' (vs a joystick) has almost got me in real trouble on more than one occasion. When you ae nose up to a 20 ft drop, it's a real challenge to discover you are in forward rather than the anticipated reverse when you hit that pedal! With a joystick, there's no mistake.

On the same note, the gear stick and steering definitely slow work down when you are in tight conditions.

Turning circle is fantastic in 4ws and great in 2ws.

Ooops, almost forgot! The radiator/oil cooler layout is a seed/chaff trap and needs constant attention when slashing/mowing. This is a real design flaw as I need to take two bolts out every time I need to clean the radiator - and that could be every 30 MINUTES in really heavy going!!! After those two bolts are removed, the radiator is tilted back on it's rear hinge to gain access to the (very clogged) space between the oil cooler and the radiator. As the radiator assembly weighs MANY. MANY pounds and has no visible means of support, it would assist you to have your local Arnie on standby so that you can then use BOTH your hands to clear the buildup!!!

So, is this a love/hate relationship or what????



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   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #15  
Sounds like a love/hate to me.

On the power issue, their web site doesn't show what kind of transmission it has. Is it a HST? It took me awhile to realize (since I never had a HST before) that to get increased power (at least on the RTV) that you have to let off the gas pedal to increase power. I always mashed it to the floor which is the absolute worse thing to do. If I let off the pedal to around 50%, the thing had a lot more power.

It sounds like a bit more seat time and a weight box may address a lot of your issues. Having the shifting be second nature may address the pucker factor when you're nose up to a 20 ft drop. By second nature you'll remember to shift.

Brian
 
   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #16  
bczoom -

You're undoubtedly right abot the 'seat time' and definitely right about the 'pedal to the metal' power loss. You either have power to the wheels of the implement. Back off on the pedal and you let the computer redirect all available flow to the implement.

I'm currently having a new slasher built with another 4" of headroom and a tip speed of 16,300 fpm. If that doesn't solve the problem, I'll trade the unit on a turbo model.

It's only money!

David
 
   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #17  
If I remember correctly, the Toolcat uses almost the same size tires as the S156/S160... models, each of which weigh nearly 1000 pounds more than the 5600. Generally speaking, you won't have any problems with those tires unless you work in very, very heavy mud or load up the bed and arm to capacity and cross a wet lawn. The Toolcat has 10" of ground clearance listed and proven to be rather adept for most general purposes.
 
   / Tool Cat vs. RTV #18  
Hi David,
I see this is an old post, but just the same I'll add my two cents worth: If you should change to a Turbo model, make sure you get the High Flow option that bumps up the hydraulic flow to 26 gpm from 18. At that point you're only talking about another $900(US) more or less.
Rolando
 

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