Tooliom Welder, And Odd Ways To Provide A Cord to Adapt to 240V

[Sberry]

That's interesting, my Everlast came with a 5-15P to 6-50R adapter, so you could feed a 240V to a 120V device, but not visa versa.

Aaron Z

Can you show a picture of this. Has to be some kind of mistake.

 

[Sberry]

The multi voltage adapter is worded kind of,, well like a gfci. Should be a ground fault assumption device really. The adapter for 240 is really a 30A circuit breaker to allow a smaller input wire to be used. 14 is sufficient for the machine but limited to 30A breaker. Got to have 12 or better for 50A.
They could have used a simple adapter if the circuit breakers were changed on the circuit but so many millions of 50A installed and so many would simply plug it in. So much easier to come up with that than create a new code requirement and obsolesce all the existing circuits.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I am a little lost. First,,, good recommendations by Amazon are suspect as are any of those reviews, they are living proof the reviewers may not know anything about the machine they are reviewing, does not say,,, reviewed by experts.

A rabbit trail on the Amazon reviews. As some of you know, I have a YouTube channel and I am often approached to review trivial junk sold through Amazon. The most prominent way venders gather "hidden" paid reviews is by having the "reviewer" purchase the item, write the glowing five star review so that it shows as "verified purchase" (e.g., "My husband says it is awesome, this thingy") and then the vender sends the reviewer the cost of the item or more for the review.

To date I have rejected everyone of those people as reliable reviews are getting to be a problem on a lot of China stuff on Amazon.

Nevertheless, I can be bought as I am waiting for somebody to send me a good bench-mounted chain sharpener, a cutting oil can that doesn't leak or an action camera that doesn't screw up in sundry and unexpected ways (effing GoPro)--all of which are kind of running jokes on my channel.

Anyway, end segue.

 

[WranglerX]

A rabbit trail on the Amazon reviews. As some of you know, I have a YouTube channel and I am often approached to review trivial junk sold through Amazon. The most prominent way venders gather "hidden" paid reviews is by having the "reviewer" purchase the item, write the glowing five star review so that it shows as "verified purchase" (e.g., "My husband says it is awesome, this thingy") and then the vender sends the reviewer the cost of the item or more for the review.

To date I have rejected everyone of those people as reliable reviews are getting to be a problem on a lot of China stuff on Amazon.

Nevertheless, I can be bought as I am waiting for somebody to send me a good bench-mounted chain sharpener, a cutting oil can that doesn't leak or an action camera that doesn't screw up in sundry and unexpected ways (effing GoPro)--all of which are kind of running jokes on my channel.

Anyway, end segue.

I'm still waiting for my review bribe for a metal cutting band saw, drill press and a 240v 220 Amp MIG welder.... Also chain saw sharpener would be nice too... Maybe we can collaborate on that...

 

[aczlan]

Can you show a picture of this. Has to be some kind of mistake.

Why would it be a mistake? The welder senses the incoming voltage and limits the output amperage accordingly (its a PowerArc 200STi and IIRC it limits itself to 120A on 120V but lets you go up to 200A when you plug it into 240V).
Its out in the shop, but the adapter appears similar to this one: Amazon.com: Parkworld 691814A Welding 15A to 50A Adapter Cord 5-15 Male Plug to Welding 6-50 Female Receptacle (Output 15A 125V) (1.5FT): Electronics

Aaron Z

 

[WranglerX]

Has anyone had experience, yea or nay, with Tooliom Chinesium welders? I just picked one up based on some decent recommendations from Amazon/YouTube. The crazy thing is, while it internally switches from its built-in 120V household plug's current to 240V once its plugged in, the adapter cord they provided is unlike any I have ever seen. It has a female 120V NEMA 5-15 - standard household for the welder to plug in to. The other end of the 12" long adapter is a NEMA 6-50P male. The crazy thing is the household female's two slots are to each hot leg of the 240V male. This means it's a cord that COULD accept any old household appliance, and get plugged into 240V!! Not that I am going to do this, and I clearly put a label on it: "Welder Use Only!" Has anyone run into these odd, impossible-to-find adapters, lest I need to replace this one for loss or damage? Nowhere on Amazon or any other site can I find these. I could buy the parts and custom make one....at 2x the cost!

Also, are there adapters for the same welder that have instead of the 6-50P typical welder 240V plug, a L14-30P, the circular locking 4-lug plug for 240V on generators? That'd be handy, too.
Thx, All

Why would it be a mistake? The welder senses the incoming voltage and limits the output amperage accordingly (its a PowerArc 200STi and IIRC it limits itself to 120A on 120V but lets you go up to 200A when you plug it into 240V).
Its out in the shop, but the adapter appears similar to this one: Amazon.com: Parkworld 691814A Welding 15A to 50A Adapter Cord 5-15 Male Plug to Welding 6-50 Female Receptacle (Output 15A 125V) (1.5FT): Electronics

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Aaron Z

Obviously these two statement about adapters don't seem to be in agreement.... Which is it..........

Maybe this pic explains things...

 

[aczlan]

Obviously these two statement about adapters don't seem to be in agreement.... Which is it..........

Maybe this pic explains things...

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I understand, that's why I specifically stated that mine has the male 120 volt plug (5-15P) and the female 240 volt plug (6-50R), I have no idea why they would want to do it the other way, too much risk of somebody frying something because they think they can just plug it in.
With the way my Everlast adapter is, worst case you're undervolting your 240 volt devices with only 120 volts and you'll probably pop the breaker in hurry.


Aaron Z

 

[WranglerX]

I understand, that's why I specifically stated that mine has the male 120 volt plug (5-15P) and the female 240 volt plug (6-50R), I have no idea why they would want to do it the other way, too much risk of somebody frying something because they think they can just plug it in.
With the way my Everlast adapter is, worst case you're undervolting your 240 volt devices with only 120 volts and you'll probably pop the breaker in hurry.


Aaron Z

Yeah but if Bubba plugs in his cored 'lectic drill into the TOOLIOM 240V adapter it will drill a hole twice as fast....

 

[aczlan]

Yeah but if Bubba plugs in his cored 'lectic drill into the TOOLIOM 240V adapter it will drill a hole twice as fast....

Which is why the Everlast one makes sense and the TOOLIOM one does not (especially if you consider the possibility of running 30+ amps through a 15 amp rated plug).

Aaron Z

 

[Sberry]

That adapter is not legal, no way no how. My referral to a mistake might have been to something about Everlast having something not listed. I wouldnt think so but spose it could be. That adapter is a poster case for code violations and would never be listed by legitimate review.