Total hypothetical question

[k0ua]

UH1's Lifting D7 Caterpillar dozers?... are you kidding?... a UH1, would not be able to lift 1/10 of a D7 cat.. A UH1 might be able to pull 4000 lbs off of the ground on a good day. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying?

 

[SI2305]

k0ua,

My original point was what type of equipment could be put to use in this particular type of disaster scenario. I know that foreign aide is not always a popular topic, but we do have people on the ground in these emergencies on a regular basis. Simply put, I was wondering what type of equipment could be effectively transported to these areas and what would that equipment be?

SI2305

 

[arlen4720]

I think a forestry skid loader would be the biggest bang for the buck per pound. They are tough, stable, and being a skid loader you can put all kinds of stuff in front of them...
Grapples, jack hammers, trenchers, etc.
It would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than any CUT, which would be destroyed in a matter of hours.

 

[ovrszd]

UH1's Lifting D7 Caterpillar dozers?... are you kidding?... a UH1, would not be able to lift 1/10 of a D7 cat.. A UH1 might be able to pull 4000 lbs off of the ground on a good day. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying?

The Huey is an old friend of mine. But a heavy lift Chopper she is not.



Can't remember the nomenclature of this Chopped but we called them a Hook. It was very capable but still would doubt lifting a D7.

 

[ovrszd]

Back to the original point.

The U.S. loves to help others in need. We jump at the chance. All over the World. Our extension of aid is led by some very experienced and intelligent Logisticians. They've had plenty of practice in every scenario imaginable. I believe in regards to Nepal. We analyzed the situation and sent the most effective aid. I think individual attempts with little planning would ultimately do more harm than good.

 

[SI2305]

Arlen4720,

The idea of a forestry skid steer is just along the idea of my main question. Most effective per unit weight, assuming it can be lifted in the first place. I had not thought of that idea (obviously) but I like your line of thinking. Thanks for the input.

overszd,

I think the "hook" you were thinking about is the CH-54, also known as the sky-crane. Some brilliant unorthodox thinking in the design--just get rid of the "fuselage"--not certain if that is the correct term for a helicopter--to save weight and increase lifting capacity. Although the Army no longer uses them, they have a number of commercial niches for them today. I sometimes think the army would do well to have a modernized version of that sky-crane, but I know that the army has budgets too and a chopper that can perform both heavy lift and carry troops is going to win out over a chopper that only carries objects. Still, a unique design.





I like this picture as we have a helicopter lifting a tank. Granted, it was considered a light tank, but it was a tank nonetheless and I imagine quite a load to carry.

SI2305

 

[davesl708]

I totally understand your compassion.

When dealing with Mother Nature, compassion rarely is relevant.

Drop off 50 gallons of fuel and the thugs will steal it and use it to power the vehicles they are using to pillage the community.

When dealing with these situations compassion and emotion MUST be removed. Only logistical decisions based on logistical facts should be considered. There is going to be death. You can't escaped that.

Where the U.S. fails most is in our belief that we can save everyone. Korea. Vietnam, Iraq (Desert Storm), Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq (again), and now the list has grown beyond belief. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars (actually trillions) a year trying to save the World. It ain't working.

Offer these countries minimal medical and logistical support and require that they rise above it all before giving more. You can't wean a calf by offering a tit.

I agree. Can't save those that do not want saved. The middle east is a good example. They have been fighting for over 2000 years.
I support helping other help themselves but some will not step up and help themselves.
In Jimmy Carter's term we sent over a billion dollars worth of farm equipment to African nations only to see the equipment rot in the fields.

 

[ovrszd]

Arlen4720,

The idea of a forestry skid steer is just along the idea of my main question. Most effective per unit weight, assuming it can be lifted in the first place. I had not thought of that idea (obviously) but I like your line of thinking. Thanks for the input.

overszd,

I think the "hook" you were thinking about is the CH-54, also known as the sky-crane. Some brilliant unorthodox thinking in the design--just get rid of the "fuselage"--not certain if that is the correct term for a helicopter--to save weight and increase lifting capacity. Although the Army no longer uses them, they have a number of commercial niches for them today. I sometimes think the army would do well to have a modernized version of that sky-crane, but I know that the army has budgets too and a chopper that can perform both heavy lift and carry troops is going to win out over a chopper that only carries objects. Still, a unique design.



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I like this picture as we have a helicopter lifting a tank. Granted, it was considered a light tank, but it was a tank nonetheless and I imagine quite a load to carry.

SI2305

When first developed and used the sky-crane had a detachable body similar looking to a conex box with windows in the sides. It was used to haul troops. Can't remember how many could get it in but it was considerably more than a Chinook.

 

[SI2305]

I had heard that configuration was a part of its design, but I did not know that any of the troop compartments were ever acquired. Sounds more and more like a good idea for today, but I bet the same budget forces still apply.

 

[ovrszd]

I had heard that configuration was a part of its design, but I did not know that any of the troop compartments were ever acquired. Sounds more and more like a good idea for today, but I bet the same budget forces still apply.

I'm afraid it's obsolete for today's market. A Blackhawk is wayyyyy quieter and more capable than a Huey. And I love the Huey. I've rode hundreds, if not thousands of miles in both. The Blackhawk, hands down, is a better ride. I have a love affair with the Chinook as well. But always hated boarding from the rear thru the heat and wash of the turbines.