Towing a Case 580

[jfh0jfh]

Are you sure? I find that hard to believe-a SRW pickup with a GCWR of 26K?!? Sounds way too high. My '07 SRW one-ton GMC is like 22,500 GCWR.

HERE, Dodge lists their '08 one-ton dually at 24,000 MAX GCWR. Dodge - 2007 Ram 3500 - Capability - Towing Payload

The only 26K GCWR pickup I've ever seen are the Ford Tow-Boss 350/450. I don't know about Dodge, but I'd be surprised to see if they make any pickup rated to 26K.

None of it matters if the tongue weight or trailer weight is exceeded beyond the manufacturer's limitations.

Remember you'll also need a class A CDL if truck & trailer exceed 26,001 lbs.

I'll try to find a link but I did more reading and I agree that it sounds really high.

Yes, I learned in another thread about needing a CDL for >26000. That they look at potential, not actual load. That was news to me.

 

[wroughtn_harv]

I've towed Cat backhoes with a one ton and I've towed Cat and Case backhoes with my 2003 C5500. The eight pound hundred gorilla hasn't changed. But with the one ton he's in the cab and with the 5500 he's in the trunk.

Where it's important is in an emergency situation. If that school bus driver doesn't see you and pulls out............

 

[Builder]

I've towed Cat backhoes with a one ton and I've towed Cat and Case backhoes with my 2003 C5500. The eight pound hundred gorilla hasn't changed. But with the one ton he's in the cab and with the 5500 he's in the trunk.

Where it's important is in an emergency situation. If that school bus driver doesn't see you and pulls out............

Well put.

Too many guys worry "will my engine be powerful enough to pull it" when towing something heavy.

What they should be saying is "will I be able to make an emergency stop" when towing something heavy.

 

[Turbys_1700]

Here in NC CDL's are required if the trailer is over 10,000#. I don't know what kind of rear axle weight a rig like that would put on a truck. My F350 dually is rated at 8,250# at the rear axle. I think that the newer ones are are rated at 9,000#.

To be legal here in NC, to pull that kind of load with a dually, you would need to have CDL's, be under all your axle ratings for the truck, and buy enough tag weight for the truck. To be legal, you could do it if you stayed within those guidelines. Now, would I do it. No way!!!

That heavy of a load really needs a 450 or 550. The Ford F350 Tow Boss has a CGVWR of 26K and the 450 has a CGVWR of 29K with 4.30 gears and 33K with 4.88 gears.

 

[EddieWalker]

I saw two of them yesterday, and I was only in town for half an hour. I was following what looked like a brand new one ton dodge duelly, who was pulling a 4wd 555C. He really took off from the stop lights and impressed me with the power his truck must have. But when we hit a small incline, he droped from 60mph to 50 fairly quickly. I can't imagine what happens when he hits a real hill. Of course, we don't have any mountains in East Texas. The other was a Ford F350 pulling a 4wd Cat 416 going in the oposite direction.

After reading this thread, I looked on the sides of both trucks for some sort of DOT numbers. There were none that I could see. If you have a CDL, don't you have to put DOT numbers on your vehicle?

Eddie

 

[john_bud]

Eddie, that's a good question and it seems to change state to state. Federal law requires USDOT numbers for any state to state commerce when the truck + trailer is 10,001 or more. About 1/2 of the states have adopted that as the standard for in state only commerce too. Every state requires USDOT numbers for truck + trailer over 26,000#, which is also the CDL trigger.

With that load, there is no way they were legally pulling if there was no number on the sides. Then again, who said all contractors are always legal? Now if that was a farmer, there may be an exclusion allowing them to ggo up to a high number W/O numbers.

But, I am not a DOT officer, just a guy that has been checking it out so I can avoid unpleasant discussions on the side of the road!

jb

 

[Builder]

I have had a CDL for many years and own/operate an over CDL dumptruck. I don't have a DOT number.

I might need one, but I've never been told when I get pulled over that I need one.

I think what all of us need to focus on is a DOT number is only needed if you are a for hire transporter. At least that's the way I see it.

 

[RayCo]

Thumbing through a magazine today, and I saw an ad for F-series Fords. It featured a truck towing a backhoe that was slightly smaller than a Case 580 with a 4 post ROPS, no cab. The fine print in the ad specified that advertised capacity is a minimum of an F450.

 

[xxxsandman]

If I'm not mistaken, if you do operate a truck that requires a CDL and/or is registered as a Commercial Vehicle, you must either have DOT numbers OR "NOT FOR HIRE" printed on the truck.

If your truck has a farm tag, you do NOT need a CDL or DOT#s no matter what the weight. There is some restrictions on what you can haul (machinery or ag products, etc), how far you are from your farm, and it must be driven by the farmer or employee of the farmer. I posted all this in a recent thread, after calling the Oklahoma CDL office and asking them to clearify all this for me.