Towing weight capacity with new 3030hsdc and tacoma

[Bob_Skurka]

Soxfan,

First off, with the truck you have, the solution is obvious. Take the attachement and maybe the bucket separately. That will shave off 1300-1400 pounds.

Next, puting the weight in the bed won't save you. Check the Gross Combined Vehicle weight. You will find that the weight of the truck and ONE person at ~180 pounds subtracted from the GCVW gives the towing capacity. Add any other weight and the towing capacity shrinks.

Words of wisdom!

BTW, just for reference, I own a truck fleet and can say that the GCVW issue is right on target. For folks who think you can just move a load off a trailer and into the cargo bed, it doesn't much matter, you are still over weight. Same is true if you toss 3 fat ladies into the cab with you to sing! Weight is weight. The truck can't handle the weight. Period. This is not rocket science.

Brakes are not designed to handle those loads.
Transmissions are not designed to deal with that stress.

Honestly I don't think I would worry much about the 'ride quality' I would be a lot more worried about repair bills to the tranny & brakes.

 

[SeymourBota]

My new 06 Tacoma with Toyota towing package is rated at 6500 lbs.

Maybe you need a new Yota to go with the new Bota??

 

[soxfan]

hi guys thanks for all the input. Bottom line is if I don't take the tiller I will be at 5000 lbs and within the recomended towing weight. If I need the tiller, I will have to make 2 trips or not take the scraper. This is my plan. Thanks again.

 

[Highbeam]

Great advice thus far. I tow my tractor regularly, just yesterday in fact, 100 miles per day round trip. It can be done safely. You will need to verify that all of your ratings are met. There is more to it than just the bogus "tow rating". You need to actually find the GCWR, GVWR, GAWR, and individual tire ratings of all tires involved if you want to be legal. I say tow rating is bogus because it is, for example the 3/4 ton version of my half ton pickup has a lower tow rating. The GCWR is where the tow rating comes from.

Personally, I make dang sure that axles and tires of truck and trailer are all happy. If that is true, then I am willing to consider exeeding the other ratings if they are pretty close.

 

[Jimbrown]

You did not say how far you are going to tow it. If it is not really far I would load the box blade and tiller on the trailer take them home and then come back for the tractor loader. Or better yet take the tractor first and use it to off load the blade and tiller. i am sure the dealer will load the stuff for you.Contrary to what others say the sky is not going to fall if you tow 6000lbs or so with the Tacoma. It's not like you are headed for the west coast over the Breckinridge pass. Center the load. Tie it down good. Set the brake controller up a notch or two and drive carfully. Advoid full throttlle shifts and anticipate as many stops as you can. Have fun.

 

[williet]

I'm new here, but been reading awhile.

I've a '03 Tacoma, 5000# rating and looking at a L3400 .... Question is about the same .... With the tractor + FEL & maybe a tiller, it looks like the Yota should be fine with the load .... Is that correct?

 

[Bob_Skurka]

I've a '03 Tacoma, 5000# rating and looking at a L3400 .... Question is about the same .... With the tractor + FEL & maybe a tiller, it looks like the Yota should be fine with the load .... Is that correct?

The L3400 weighs 2600#, the loader will add roughly 800#, bringing the tractor & loader up to 3400 pounds. A typical tiller weighs 500 to 700 pounds, but assume it is 500#, that brings your weight up to 3900 pounds. If you have fluid filled tires (necessary if you don't have a heavy weight on the rear hitch) then add 600 to 700 pounds for the fluid fill. Add another 90 pounds for the fuel in the tank.

The tractor/loader/tiller/filled tires/fuel will weigh roughly 2600+800+500+600+90 = 4590 pounds. The trailer will weigh approximately 1500# to 2000# (assuming a typical 16' to 18' trailer).

The total weight (based on the LOW numbers) will be 6090#.
The total weight (based on the HIGH numbers) will be 6890#.

Both weights presume you have both fluid fill and a tiller. Adjust your weight down roughly 500-600# if you never plan on taking the tiller but have fluid fill. . . or if you don't have fluid fill. Realize your tractor will require counterweight to operate the front loader, and the loader manual probably recommends both fluid fill/or wheel weights AND a rear weight.
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In either case you are clearly over the weight/towing capacity by a very wide margin. If you are considering towing on a regular basis you will destroy your truck. If you want to pull it home one time, and it is a short distance, and you drive slow, then you may manage, but I wouldn't do it.

JMHO

Being the owner of a truck fleet I found the fastest way to destroy a truck is to run it at its at, or even near its maximum capcity. People here talk regularly of pushing their trucks beyond the rated capacity. The world won't end if you do. But I now buy trucks rated for more than we haul and in doing so I have reduced our brake, suspension and transmission problems. Our trucks no longer die a premature and abused death. That is the result of maximum loading/over loading. And with a transmission, it only takes one time to destroy it (we learned that the hard way a couple times).

 

[Dallas_Lilly]

Will your tractor fit on a 14' trailer with the loader attaced? Mine wont, it will on a 16' but a 18' is ideal so I have enough room to adjust the load so I have the right amount of tounge weight.

 

[williet]

The L3400 weighs 2600#, the loader will add roughly 800#, bringing the tractor & loader up to 3400 pounds. A typical tiller weighs 500 to 700 pounds, but assume it is 500#, that brings your weight up to 3900 pounds. If you have fluid filled tires (necessary if you don't have a heavy weight on the rear hitch) then add 600 to 700 pounds for the fluid fill. Add another 90 pounds for the fuel in the tank.

The tractor/loader/tiller/filled tires/fuel will weigh roughly 2600+800+500+600+90 = 4590 pounds. The trailer will weigh approximately 1500# to 2000# (assuming a typical 16' to 18' trailer).

The total weight (based on the LOW numbers) will be 6090#.
The total weight (based on the HIGH numbers) will be 6890#.

Both weights presume you have both fluid fill and a tiller. Adjust your weight down roughly 500-600# if you never plan on taking the tiller but have fluid fill. . . or if you don't have fluid fill. Realize your tractor will require counterweight to operate the front loader, and the loader manual probably recommends both fluid fill/or wheel weights AND a rear weight.
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In either case you are clearly over the weight/towing capacity by a very wide margin. If you are considering towing on a regular basis you will destroy your truck. If you want to pull it home one time, and it is a short distance, and you drive slow, then you may manage, but I wouldn't do it.

JMHO

Being the owner of a truck fleet I found the fastest way to destroy a truck is to run it at its at, or even near its maximum capcity. People here talk regularly of pushing their trucks beyond the rated capacity. The world won't end if you do. But I now buy trucks rated for more than we haul and in doing so I have reduced our brake, suspension and transmission problems. Our trucks no longer die a premature and abused death. That is the result of maximum loading/over loading. And with a transmission, it only takes one time to destroy it (we learned that the hard way a couple times).

That's what I was thinking, both the Toyo dealer and the Kubota dealer said it would haul the L3400. I guess they were not including the attachments.
If the tractor is delivered to the land ... the only time it would be hauled is to get it to the service center for repair work. Maybe that will not happen often and maybe they will come and get it and return it when finished! LOL

Thanks for the replies.