Traction with Turf Tires

[N2DFire]

The alternative to NX4510HST would be CK4010HST, which will definitely fit with any tires and is around 6k cheaper...but

CK4010 loader lift capacity is 2,000 vs 3,177 for NX
CK4010 pumps 7 gpm vs 10 gpm for NX
CK4010 weighs 2,700 vs 4,000 for NX
CK4010 has a foot clutch

At this point I think your priorities have already made Turf Tires the best option for you, but just to clarify so you're comparing Apple to Apples

The CK4010HST & NX4510HST are both Hydrostatic, the DK4010 is the Hydraulic Shuttle (w/ Foot Clutch) (I know after looking at several models it all starts to run together)
Compare CK4010HST, DK4010HS, and NX4010HST

Given your task list - the Pump output should be a non-issue as you don't plan to run hydro intensive attachments / implements. Reduced lift capacity just means more trips & the weight issue can be addressed with ballast & attachments. And 6 Grand is a lot to save (to me at least).

The bottom line though is you're the only one the tractor has to make happy. Our opinions are worth what you paid. You have to filter them for your needs and get what suits you best. :thumbsup:

 

[trctorfan17]

At this point I think your priorities have already made Turf Tires the best option for you, but just to clarify so you're comparing Apple to Apples

The CK4010HST & NX4510HST are both Hydrostatic, the DK4010 is the Hydraulic Shuttle (w/ Foot Clutch) (I know after looking at several models it all starts to run together)
Compare CK4010HST, DK4010HS, and NX4010HST

Given your task list - the Pump output should be a non-issue as you don't plan to run hydro intensive attachments / implements. Reduced lift capacity just means more trips & the weight issue can be addressed with ballast & attachments. And 6 Grand is a lot to save (to me at least).

The bottom line though is you're the only one the tractor has to make happy. Our opinions are worth what you paid. You have to filter them for your needs and get what suits you best. :thumbsup:

Thank you very much Steve, I like your logic.

I didn't know that pump rate wouldn't have a big impact on loader use. And yes, 6 grand is too much to spend for such a small difference.

 

[Z-Michigan]

I didn't know that pump rate wouldn't have a big impact on loader use. And yes, 6 grand is too much to spend for such a small difference.

Loaders are matched to the hydraulic flow of a given tractor or size class. The larger tractor has a larger FEL with more capacity and it needs more hydraulic flow. This is all accounted for by the manufacturer.

Having read a bunch of your comments, I also think the CK would make sense for you. The only possible issue is the operation of the PTO, and since I haven't driven that exact model I can't say if it's an issue or not.

Just to throw another idea out, if you go with a CK but your budget would allow $6k more, that would just about cover the cost of a cab model.

 

[The Fred]

R4s do NOT work at all in snow or ice, PERIOD!!!!!!!!

You are from New England than R4s with chains or turfs that actually aren't too bad on snow.

Good luck.

 

[trctorfan17]

R4s do NOT work at all in snow or ice, PERIOD!!!!!!!!

You are from New England than R4s with chains or turfs that actually aren't too bad on snow.

Good luck.

Thank you very much, turfs it is then.

 

[trctorfan17]

Loaders are matched to the hydraulic flow of a given tractor or size class. The larger tractor has a larger FEL with more capacity and it needs more hydraulic flow. This is all accounted for by the manufacturer.

Having read a bunch of your comments, I also think the CK would make sense for you. The only possible issue is the operation of the PTO, and since I haven't driven that exact model I can't say if it's an issue or not.

Just to throw another idea out, if you go with a CK but your budget would allow $6k more, that would just about cover the cost of a cab model.

Oh no, cab is out for me...I don't use tractor when it is too cold or too hot.

So far, CK2610HST is very tempting...for 16.5k, it is not bad at all.

 

[Z-Michigan]

R4s do NOT work at all in snow or ice, PERIOD!!!!!!!!
You are from New England than R4s with chains or turfs that actually aren't too bad on snow.
Good luck.

Ummm - no. Basing this on 5 years personal experience with R4s on a Kioti DK40, and on the local dealer doing the majority of its sales with R4 tires in the snowiest region of the US (240 inches annually where I am, 120-250" annually in the region), where snowblowing is the #1 reason for most tractor purchases.

I'm not saying R4s are the best, as I've had much better luck with R1s, but I am saying that R4s can work in snow and ice conditions. Anyway, it seems pretty clear OP is going for turf tires.

 

[Z-Michigan]

So far, CK2610HST is very tempting...for 16.5k, it is not bad at all.

If it does what you want, why not? I think the CK4010 has more horsepower than is really needed in its frame size. If I remember correctly the CK2610 also falls just below the cutoff for a diesel particulate filter, and avoiding that means less maintenance hassle and one less item to break.

 

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I have always felt one cannot create an axiom of traction capabilities with various tires on their experience alone. One guy states going through 14" of snow is no problem with his industrials. Another states they are absolutely worthless in this same scenario. If one isn't considering the weight or size of the tractor, ballast aspects, thread design and tire size, then comparisons become merely generalities.

Personally I think turfs with the added aspect of chains, is one of the best overall combinations for traction and ground displacement that can be had. While true that most turfs coming with tractors are 4 ply, they can be had with 6 and 8 plies. Add a set of chains riding proud on their surface, turfs can be taken just about anywhere whether in the woods, ground engagement, snow and ice and muddy conditions all the while allowing one the capability of bringing their machine on the lawn w/o too much soil or turf damage.

 

[Threepoint]

Late to this thread, but if you are still undecided here is my input. I went through the same decision process over tires 3-1/2 years ago.

I have the nx4510 hst cab with the big Titan turf tires. I do a lot of grading and snow removal with my 7-foot Woods box and snow blades, and rarely have traction problems. In fact the turf tires are much better then R4s on packed snow and rough ice. You are correct about head clearance in a shed or garage. That is a big advantage in my case, and may be in yours as well. BUT, the turf tires on the nx series are very wide, so your width will be over 83 inches, sidewall to sidewall. That is too wide for many trailers, and a standard car hauler, so they require a deck over, or a rollback truck if you plan to haul.