Buying Advice Tractor advice for complete idiot?

   / Tractor advice for complete idiot? #31  
Thanks again guys- Can someone summarize what features you gain from buying a newer tractor? I read something about positioned hitch placement, rather than just up and down... There must be others?

As much as I like new tractors, looking to buy another one now, there is really very little to nothing a new tractor will do that an older one won't. Yes, there are the eHydro on the John Deere and new HST on the Grand L40 Kubotas, but if you go geared a thirty year old tractor will do it all and I even drove a pretty old Kubota last year that did everything that my new ones will except it didn't have a cab.

There are of course the newer Hydraulic Shuttle shift and GST, but again, it all depends on "needs" v "wants". I am disabled, so my "needs" and "wants" are pretty darned close now, but I got by a lot of years with just a basic tractor. Only you can decide your priorities. My tractors don't make me a dime as I quit farming years ago and now I just do it because it keeps me active and out of the house, but I do like some degree of comfort and don't like to work on the darned things any more than I have to so it's newer for me.
 
   / Tractor advice for complete idiot? #32  
You don;t have to worry about that until you get back to the N series Fords and 20-30 Fergusons. They pretty much solved that problem in the early fifties. Ken Sweet
 
   / Tractor advice for complete idiot? #33  
Well, its like buying a new car verses a 10 year old car,[as far as features on new tractor verses old],all machines break,some are not created equal to begin with,so....
Many people sell machines they are not happy with[there are of course other reason,but],thats the big advantage buying new over used. It ain't been broken or broken in by previous user.
People sell houses cause they are moving,they sell land cause they don't need it and want some money,but not all that many sell machines that still work like they like them too,yes of course you can buy a good used machine,but the odds are not in buyers favor.
 
   / Tractor advice for complete idiot? #34  
Well, its like buying a new car verses a 10 year old car,[as far as features on new tractor verses old],all machines break,some are not created equal to begin with,so....
Many people sell machines they are not happy with[there are of course other reason,but],thats the big advantage buying new over used. It ain't been broken or broken in by previous user.
People sell houses cause they are moving,they sell land cause they don't need it and want some money,but not all that many sell machines that still work like they like them too,yes of course you can buy a good used machine,but the odds are not in buyers favor.

Yes, it is a minefield for those who don't know what they are looking at/for or have access to someone who does. I bought my last used tractor from the dealer that had sold it and maintained it. I got copies of all of the service records since it was sold new. My brother is also an experienced mechanic who started out in a tractor dealership, so I have him check anything out. Otherwise, I stick with new equipment.
 
   / Tractor advice for complete idiot? #35  
You mean position control for your 3pth - and yes, you want it. All of the larger ones do have that going back for years. Basically, when you push the lever down the hitch drops just a little based on how far you pushed the control. Same for going back up. On machines that don't have it (like my 2305) you need to push down, then back to neutral to stop the hitch, otherwise it's all the way down (or up). Much more difficult to control positioning...

There really isn't a lot of 'features' on new machines that the older ones (5-10 years) won't have, other than maybe a better maintenance warranty. But I don't have a big tractor, so someone may contradict that!
 
   / Tractor advice for complete idiot? #36  
Here are a few things most new ones might have that I don't are available on the majority of old iron:

telescopic 3PH
electric over hydraulic PTO
2 state clutches
hydrostatic drives
tilt steering
full suspension seat
autoleveling bucket
ehydro
drive over mower decks
telescopic 3PH stabilizers


I know. Some "old" iron might have some of these. But, I don't think that most do. And I won't argue their virtues. The OP can look that up here pretty easily.
 
   / Tractor advice for complete idiot? #37  
some one stated the dealer will give you a better price if you pay cash( get money from another lending institution) , I haggled my price got to where I felt right, then said how about cash. He said didn't matter to him either way , he got his money from either place the same. Told me it was all like cash sales to him and NH actually gave them a little incentive if they sold through cnh capital. reason being (I think) miss a payment or are late boom 20 percent or so I would imagine.
 
   / Tractor advice for complete idiot? #38  
As a 60 year old guy that has been using a tractor for the last 15 years here is my 2 cents. I owned two new Chinese Jinmas and can tell you for the money it is the best value out there. I used and abused both machines! Both had Koyker 160 loaders. They are powerful machines and don't know when to quit! I ended up working on them more then riding on them. Got my monies worth but won't go back.

Bought a Kubota L3400 with loader used 60 hrs. That has been three years ago and I have never looked back. It's a well built, reliable machine. The loader is the best wheelbarrow I ever owned. I mow 6 acres and garden one as well as maintain a 1/4 mile dirt road. I have picked up at auctions or craigslist the following: finish mower, bush hog, duragrader, discharrow, bottom plow, backhoe, root rake, pto generator and a stump grinder. You can find an implement for almost any application! Just like buying a car it loses value right off the lot. Spend as much as you can afford and look for newer used tractors. If you are going to buy a loader make sure you have power steering and for your application make sure you have a four wheel drive. Once you get past the learning curve doing anything on the tractor is a nice part of the day!
 
   / Tractor advice for complete idiot? #39  
Some good advice here but I didn't see anyone mention if you buy an older tractor to make sure it has a two stage clutch, a necessity when bush hogging, and a 2 speed rear end. Some of the older American made and foreign made tractors do not have these two features. Very important.

If you have a pretty good mechanical ability, an older tractor will save you money. You might find a good used one that really has no problems, but the little quirks will be there, small adjustments or repairs will be costly if you can't do them yourself. If you know you will have to pay to keep things going, a newer machine might be the way to go.

Every piece of equipment is designed for its own use intent. A tractor is designed for field work, a lawn mower is designed for just that also. Buy both, you will find in the long run you will be happier unless your yard is wide open with basically no trees and landscape. I have a neighbor that cuts his grass with a tractor/finish mower and is constantly saying he wants a lawn mower.

As far as owning a trailer, I am a self sufficient person, do not like to have to wait until someone else has time to do it. I say yes, you need a trailer. You probably aren't going to buy a really large tractor, so therefore you won't need a really heavy duty trailer, atleast not one rated for heavy equipment.

Keep in mind, the bigger the tractor, the more it cost for maintenance and upkeep, operating costs. Figure out your needs and buy big enough to get the job done but don't over do it. Also, bigger tractors require bigger storage sheds.

Storage sheds. Why does every farmer keep his equipment in a shop or under a shelter? He knows they aren't water proof, they allow water to seep in by the shifter and levers. A properly stored tractor looks better, lasts longer, has less problems and maintenance. I hate to see any tractor sitting out in the weather. Plan on storage costs too, well worth the cost to protect your investment. Mother nature is not kind to tractors left outside.

Not knowing how free money is with you, but the Yanmar line of tractors is a cheaper way to get a tractor for less money. If you do look at this route, stay away from the ones that have been refurbished and have hardly no hours on the hr meter. Some were rebuilt in Vietnam by shady dealers and are nothing but trouble. But some of the Yanmars are great lil low cost tractors. I have a 2200 YM, it is a great tilling or cultivating tractor but does NOT have a 2 stage clutch, not a bush hogging tractor by any means.

When it comes to plows and implements, watch Craigslist, lots of deals out there sometimes. Used tillers are usually expensive, the cost of tine replacement is usually pretty high.
 
   / Tractor advice for complete idiot? #40  
some one stated the dealer will give you a better price if you pay cash( get money from another lending institution) , I haggled my price got to where I felt right, then said how about cash. He said didn't matter to him either way , he got his money from either place the same. Told me it was all like cash sales to him and NH actually gave them a little incentive if they sold through cnh capital. reason being (I think) miss a payment or are late boom 20 percent or so I would imagine.


You'll get no arguments from me, when I bought my Massey.........I had the cash in my hand.........made no difference.
Was the same at the JD, Kubota, and Cub Cadet dealers.
 

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