Tractor hinge for farm gate

[wroughtn_harv]

Thanks for the reply and the cost. I am still on the fence to build or pay to have one built so I have looked at a lot for gates.

What do you think about this hinge?

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I won't use them.

The first reason is most folks put them on wrong so they fail earlier than they fail when they're properly installed.

The problem with them is they are a tight fit and that is great if they're used daily and greased often. But if they aren't used daily and well greased they freeze up because of the tight fit.

I had a thing going on for awhile replacing them on Lowes garden centers. It was money in the bank. I would change them out, grease the bejeezuz out of them. Then six months later I would be back because they had only been opened up once or twice and never re-greased.

The tractor pin hinge will outlive the barrel hinge. It's just a little bit more expensive and will handle a lot more weight and abuse.

If you are going to use the barrel hinges consider instead the weld on hinges at Kings with the brass pins. They won't rust up because of the brass pin.

Barrel hinges should be installed always with the zert up. So the bottom hinge the male is welded to the post and the female to the gate. The top hinge has the male welded to the gate and the female to the post. This keeps the zerts up and it prevents removal of the gate by lifting it off the hinges. Most of the time you see guys welding the top hinge upside down to prevent the lifting off of the gate. This puts the zert down plus it looks like a rookie did it.

 

[wroughtn_harv]

Harv, one suggestion for the rookies who may not know this; welding galvanized/zinc plated metal creates poisonous fumes they need to be aware of; especially if they decide to make a gate or other object with a lot of EMT or similar material.

The fumes aren't toxic just noxious.

It's basically zinc fumes which is processed by the body. In fact a lot of your common cold remedies have zinc in them which you eat.

I urge anyone that hasn't been around welding of galvanized material to take precautions because of allergic reactions. And even if you're like myself and have welded it for almost forty years we still keep our head out of the fume cloud and ventilate the heck out of the area.

Zinc fume disease is something you can get from inhaling the fumes. It's usually only a couple of hours of discomfort not unlike body flue. Then you're fine again and much wiser for the experience. For me that wisdom is cumulative. ; > )

 

[4shorts]

The fumes aren't toxic just noxious.

It's basically zinc fumes which is processed by the body. In fact a lot of your common cold remedies have zinc in them which you eat.

I urge anyone that hasn't been around welding of galvanized material to take precautions because of allergic reactions. And even if you're like myself and have welded it for almost forty years we still keep our head out of the fume cloud and ventilate the heck out of the area.

Zinc fume disease is something you can get from inhaling the fumes. It's usually only a couple of hours of discomfort not unlike body flue. Then you're fine again and much wiser for the experience. For me that wisdom is cumulative. ; > )

Sir I can tell you with great certainty that breathing zinc fumes can cause you much more than some discomfort. It can put you in the hospital and possibility even kill you.
Just because you have worked with it for over forty years don't make it any safer for you or anyone else. Most welding shops around these parts won't even bring anything zinc coated through there doors due to the health issues that derive from it.

Ten years ago my older brother was welding some material that was zinc plated. He spent a few hours in his shop welding the stuff and all was going well right up until that evening when he became so Ill he had to be rushed to the hospital where he stayed for three days.

He had the shakes so bad it's was frightening plus the fact he couldn't breath. The doctors said the zinc attacked his central nervous system and that he was very lucky he came out if it.
For anyone reading these threads and especially this topic PLEASE if you MUST weld anything that's zinc coated do so at the utmost care. Clean as much of that crap(zinc) off as you possibly can, weld it in a well ventilated area and wear a mask that supplies a fresh air supply. Just because one person has done it doesn't mean he won't feel the affects later on in life.
This stuff is nasty. Just because someone gas gotten away with it as long as the above poster has it doesn't mean it's safe. Be careful out there!

 

[4shorts]

This is a MUST read:

http://www.ehow.com/i/#article_5306156

 

[4shorts]

This is a MUST read:

http://www.ehow.com/i/#article_5306156

And this:


RIP Jim "Paw Paw" Wilson - The Knife Network Forums : Knife Making Discussions

 

[wroughtn_harv]

This is a MUST read:

http://www.ehow.com/i/#article_5306156

Link doesn't work

 

[wroughtn_harv]

And this:


RIP Jim "Paw Paw" Wilson - The Knife Network Forums : Knife Making Discussions

I've discussed this before. Paw Paw was one an ace of a guy and a great source of knowledge on the internet when it came to working metal, especially with heat. We interacted together back in the day when THE blacksmithing site came out of Seattle, I can't remember the name but it was the greatest thing for its day and since.

I feel the blacksmithing community has done itself and metal working a disservice by using anecdotal evidence and passing it off as scientific.

Here's a scientific report. http://www.sperkoengineering.com/html/articles/WeldingGalvanized.pdf

Every individual is different. I've seen people get seriously sick for days after being where galavanized is welded. I've also seen the same thing happen around chemicals and even tobacco smoking.

I personally can't be around tobacco smoke or even wood fires without suffering some discomfort.

Some people are going to be more sensitive to fumes than others. Common sense should be used. But declaring the fumes are poisonous is inaccurate at best.

 

[4shorts]

I've discussed this before. Paw Paw was one an ace of a guy and a great source of knowledge on the internet when it came to working metal, especially with heat. We interacted together back in the day when THE blacksmithing site came out of Seattle, I can't remember the name but it was the greatest thing for its day and since.

I feel the blacksmithing community has done itself and metal working a disservice by using anecdotal evidence and passing it off as scientific.

Here's a scientific report. http://www.sperkoengineering.com/html/articles/WeldingGalvanized.pdf

Every individual is different. I've seen people get seriously sick for days after being where galavanized is welded. I've also seen the same thing happen around chemicals and even tobacco smoking.

I personally can't be around tobacco smoke or even wood fires without suffering some discomfort.

Some people are going to be more sensitive to fumes than others. Common sense should be used. But declaring the fumes are poisonous is inaccurate at best.

This is ridicules. Zinc sir is POISON. Even if you knew Paw Paw the link states Zinc killed him. As senior members of this forum we have a responsibility to inform other member of dangerous and hazardous goods and not base it on how "WE" handle breathing these fumes but how the average person reacts to them. You read the link I attached and read it right through. Some young welder/fabricators life may depend on it sometime and these young people depend on the likes of you and I to give them strong accurate information that will keep them healthy through out there working productive life.

Here's the link again. It states in the report and I quote from the article " Jim "Paw Paw" Wilson, a lifelong metalworking safety demonstrator, died while attempting to burn away the zinc from some galvanized metal. There were more fumes than available ventilation could handle, so Jim and his workers were exposed to toxic levels of vaporized zinc. Jim got his workers safely away, but lost his life two weeks later to chemical pneumonia caused by his exposure to zinc fumes.


http://www.ehow.com/i/#article_5306156

 

[weldingisfun]

Harv, do you think you will ever get to finish that gate? Is the reason you gave earlier for the delay near to being resolved?

 

[wroughtn_harv]

Harv, do you think you will ever get to finish that gate? Is the reason you gave earlier for the delay near to being resolved?

I was told the final will be next week. So probably early February if the weather gods are generous, southern Oklahoma ones.