Tractor or Zero-Turn?

   / Tractor or Zero-Turn? #1  

RoyBuck

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Kubota B-2410 4WD Turf Tires
Sorry for all the info given and questions asked below, but in order to get an accurate answer from this forum, you will need to know in detail what kind of work I need my tractor/mower to do. My home is located on a 5 acre lot that I have been mowing with a Craftsman 18 HP 42" mower and lawn sweeper for the the last 3 years and need to upgrade to either a sub/compact tractor or commercial zero-turn mower(or both) to cut down on the time spent mowing. I alternate every other cut between mulching and mowing with the sweeper attached to pick up pine needles and cones.

The front lawn is approximately 2 acres bordered with wooden fence lined with pear trees (planted approximately 70" inches from the fence). The lawn is planted with 30 large pine trees and many azelea bushes and one large flower bed. The pines are mulched with pine needles to about 50" diameter and spaced far apart. The flowerbed and azeleas are spaced out and arranged in different irregular patterns about the yard and would need a machine capable of turning curves, circles, ect. effectively. As you can see, I want to do as little trimming as possible. The grass is centipede and of course the lawn gets it's year-round share of pine needles and pine cones which is particularly heavy in the fall and after storms or windy days.

The back 3 acres is open field and is planted with a bermuda grass and bahalia. The fast growing bahalia keeps me busy and I sometimes have to use the Craftsman as a bush-hog with the blades at the highest cut.This field is quite rough, and it woud be nice to have better suspension than I now have on the Craftsman. Would a sub-compact tractor such a Kubota BX-2200 or B-2410 with the bi-turn option that makes the front wheels turn faster than the back take me effectively around the trees and structures in the front lawn? How would a JD 4300 perform on this type of lawn? Would the JD be too heavy or leave too large an uncut grass area?

This tractor would also have to be able to alternate (easily I hope) between mulching and mowing with a grass catcher. Preferably, a catcher that could be unloaded from the drivers seat such as the one that can be purchased with the JD. Are the grass catchers from Kubota and JD strong enough to pick up the needles and cones in the lawn without jamming up the shute? Does the bagger have its own motor and if so do is the motor equipped with blades that would be capable of grinding/reducing cones.twigs and needles? Which tractor is easily converted to mulch? Would the subcompact BX-200 bog down a 4 four bush-hog in tall bahalia for the back field? It would also like to use it for tilling vegatable gardens and landscaping as well.

Should I be looking at a zero turn mower with a grass catcher for the front 2 acres and a "base" tractor for the back 3 acres or are would one piece of equipment like a sub-compact or compact tractor do all that I need?

Thanks,
Roy
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn? #2  
Roy, I know people want to shoot me cuz I never shut up about the BX but I think it is what you need from your description but if you can afford it a 2410 would be awful nice. The bi-speed turn is only useful when 4WD is engaged and you will rarely mow in 4WD. The BX will cut, with the 60 inch deck an inside radious of about 36 inches, very manuverable for such as fat little tractor. Where you live anyway with all the azeleas and pines--I sure miss them both here in Kansaw? Goodluck, forget the ZTR and get a BX, a 2410 if you must but it will be heavy on your Southern lawn. J
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn? #3  
I have a BX at home and use my fathers ZTR since his death last month to take care of his property. Not even close on use, I'll take my BX any day! It's true the ZTR does get in closer, but it scuffs the lawn doing it if you aren't EXTREMELY careful.

After using his Lazer ZTR for only an hour, I come off tired and tense, since the big wide tires seem to garner very little traction, and they scuff badly unless you make very small adjustments. Also remember that a ZTR requires BOTH hands at all times...you can't take one hand off to reach for your ice tea or you start to drift. The ZTR also behaves strangely on slopes, wanting to turn easily with the slope and grudgingly if at all against the slope. The BX's power steering, however, is a dream to handle. Try it, you will agree.
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn? #4  
Roy,

From your description, I would not go larger than the BX. It sounds like you need something that can make pretty tight turns, and that leaves things like a ZTR or a BX. Going up to a 2410 would kill you because of the long wheelbase. While it's true that the 2410 actually has a smaller turning diameter than a BX, this is using brake steering, which would be murder on your lawn.

See if you can demo a BX. I'm pretty sure it will do the mowing you require, and it can also be used for tilling and other "traditional" tractor work

The GlueGuy
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn? #5  
Roy,

My opinion after thinking all of your issues thru carefully (and recently buying my own tractor - a 2710) is that you would probabaly prefer the BX, unless you suffer from tractor envy (which, I am convinced, all of us do, but not all of us can or will admit it). If you ever plan to do more than you described (and you will once you see what any of these can do compared to a riding lawn mower), I think the 7500 would do a very nice job for you. The things you are likely to do don't require the extra HP of the 2410 over the 7500 (thats really the only serious difference - forget the bi-speed option with the 2410).

The "bush hogging" you do with the craftsman on the back yard is reallly very different than working with a real bush hog. If you can "bush hog" the back with your craftsman, you definitely don't need anything more than a finish mower if you switch up to any Kubota. I know exactly what you are talking about, since I used my JD LX172 to "bush hog" between the rows of my christmas trees 3x/summer. I really don't think that comparing even the BX to the craftsman is a fair comparison, since the mower is simply outclassed , outpowered and out implemented. When I test drove the BX, it handled like a dream. Unless you need to rotate on a dime at the end of each pass, you will prefer that to a ZTR mower.

PaulT
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn? #6  
<font color=blue>unless you suffer from tractor envy (which, I am convinced, all of us do, but not all of us can or will admit it).</font color=blue>

I started out looking for a good garden tractor -- and ended up with the BX2200. No regrets -- although I ended up spending quite a bit more than I had planned. If there is any tractor envy arising from my purchase it must be coming from my neighbors.

Huck
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn? #7  
And you don't think that just a teensy bit of your motivation to buy the BX series was envy-related?? You really don't look at a big Case 580 and think "What I could do with that..." You know us boys and our toys!

PaulT
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn? #8  
I'd like to think that my decision to buy the BX was based solely on a complete analysis of needs and a thorough research of the marketplace -- but the smile I get on my face every time I say that suggests that perhaps just the tiniest bit of "envy" may have been involved. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Huck
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn? #9  
Hi! don't in my opinion even try the other ZTR's go directly to Kubota and try a ZD-18/21. The BEST! I tried them all! The best proof is the Kubota PTO ! Andy.
 

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