Tractor paint?

[Scooby074]

The MF paints are VERY good and not a huge price. Ive actually painted several cars with it!!!! Next to no orange peel or runs. It holds its gloss quite well too.

Granted it wasnt my first paint job, but its really quite forgiving. Mix with proper reducer and add some "wet look" hardner, and youll have a really good job.

Pay attention to the proper safety stuff. Wear a respirator with NEW cartridges , and gloves.

Id avoid the Imron and the other full Urethanes unless you have the experience. Imron can be really nasty stuff.

If your buying a gun. get a HVLP gun. The finishline series from Develbis is a good gun (what im using). Also ensure that your air is ABSOLUTELY dry.

Id say your probably pretty close on what your going to need for supplies.

 

[ray66v]

I saw that Duplicolor has a paint called Paint shop. It comes premixed and is a laquer system. Seems pretty easy, but its 25$ a quart. The colors are not a correct match for MF, but close enough I think. Although 25$ a Qt seems expensive for a Laquer system.

I do not recommend that you consider using lacquer for this application. The lowest end of the spectrum you want to use in automotive paint, is acrylic enamel, and it is only a few bucks more to go with the low end single stage urethane, so I would why bother with acrylic enamel.

$25 a quart is less than half of what i used to pay for lacquer, 12 years ago, when I could still get it here. At this price, you will likely be getting a very low solids product, mostly thinner.

I can usually paint an average size car with 2- 3 quarts of quality automotive urethane paint, over matching tinted primer, or sealer, depending on the color. Some colors cover much better than others.

If your considering using red automotive paint, it will generally be very expensive. $100++ a quart, is not unusual.

A more expensive product can usually be made to dry faster, that usually makes it easier to use, always results in a cleaner job.

If you have never sprayed anything, or have limited ability in this area, there is a a good sized learning curve here. Most products can perform better than they do when using the mfr's recommendations, if you know how to use them.

You can save yourself a lot of time, and money, if you can get someone who has some experience to help you get started.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

As mentioned, the paint you can buy off the shelf at the Massey Ferguson dealers is a good quality paint at a reasonable price. The MF150 in my avatar photo was painted with that same paint. Typically you'll need just a tick over 1 quart of the red. Buy 2 and you'll have a little extra. The flint grey metallic takes about a quart+ also. I always get 2 of them also. The "corporate wheel grey" isn't the correct color for that tractor's wheels, grill ect. It will be called SILVER MIST by Massey Ferguson. It's a bit more "silver" than the wheel grey. A quart will last you a lifetime......Takes about 4 to 5 oz. to paint wheels, grill, ect.

At "MF prices", you can buy 2 quarts of red, 2 quarts of flint grey metallic, and a quart of silver mist for around $130 at last check.

MF doesn't list a hardener OR reducer (thinner) for their paints. You can use the Valspar hardener (available @ TSC) as well as their NAPTHA thinner. I don't care much for naptha though. I'd suggest finding a good auto finish supplier and getting an enamel ruducer that's spec-ed for the temperature and conditions when you plan on painting. That makes a significant difference by my experience.


I still stand by my findings that ICOCYANITE hardeners are harmfull. The manufacturer suggests it's harmful...... I know of 3 others besides myself that have suffered lung damage because of exposure. Be careful with it.

 

[ray66v]

I still stand by my findings that ICOCYANITE hardeners are harmfull. The manufacturer suggests it's harmful......

Sorry, I did not mean to give you the impression that I felt iso's are not potentially harmful.

From the US Department of Labor web site:

1.1.2. Toxic effects
Isocyanates are strong irritants and can produce an acute allergic response among some individuals.

I ALWAYS use, and recommend that everyone use, the proper safety equipment when sanding, mixing, and applying any paint. There are also lots of other toxic chemicals, many that are considered carcinogens, in these products.

My point was that most people don't suffer any obvious effects from using iso's, or these paints, even when they use them improperly. While obviously there are some who become sensitized, and react to any level of exposure, these experiences are very uncommon.

 

[Kenfyoozed]

I assume the MF paint is as good of better than what came on the tractor to begin with? Can thhis be orderedd off line or must I visit the dealer. Its a 40 mile drive one way . Normally I get them to ship me my parts.

 

[cowboy357]

Iso,s WILL Eventually Kill You Or worse Make You Wish You were dead .

I,ve Been Painting for 45 Years , Starting with Laquer , Then acrylic Enamel with hardner ( also Dangerous ) Imron ( Toughest paint on the Market ) but also Hazerdous to Your Health .

But the Urothanes today are Most deadlly & I,ve Been Suffering From the Effects of it Because of My Own Stupidity for the last ten Years From Not Wearing the Proper Protection. The respirator is Just the small Part of it it Will Get in Your System Anyway it can , Eyes , Ears , Skin . & It never Leaves your System .

I,ve Been in The Body & Paint Business Most My Life , Painting From Farm Equipment, Semis & Trailors. onto Restorations & Custom Painting & allways had a good up to code Booth with Great Exhaust . But didn,t Wear the air Supplyed Hood & full Body suit along with a Head sock .

ICOCYANITE Poisining is Basiclly Much Like Cyanide Poisoning . The Equipment to Protect You From it is More Then its Worth if You Are not in the Business to Protect You Correctlly . It Has Nothing to do with Whether Your allergict to it or Not, Its just Worse & Works Quicker on Your System then if Your not .

Its Effected My Eye,s , Ears , sinuses , & I have Much Like Chemical Burns on Any Skin That Been Exposed to it . Not to Mention What effect it has on My respiratory system & liver .

Not trying To Give to Much Info , But Its Not For amatuers & You Also put Others at Risk that are Exposed to it Before its Completlly Gassed off .

The Iso,s Are Mainlly Contained to the Hardners for the single stage Paints & Clears If You Use the Basecoat Clearcoat System , As Soon as You Put The Hardner in it , it Starts Producing the Harmfull Gas . & If Your Standing Over it Much Like I did While Mixing it , Its Worse Then When You are Spraying it . Because Most Times You Dont Think You need to be Protected . At Least in My case .

Sorry Its a Very Touchy Subject to Me as I Retired When I was Told I was on Borrowed time from the Effects of it & I Would Much Rather People Learn From My Mistakes & Admitted Stupidity .

Some Do it all the Time with Posablly no effects on a Limited Basis . I did It Every day so it effected Me Much worse & Quicker then Most. But the Outcome will Eventually be the same . Most That No the True effects Are Either not around Any longer or to Embarresed to admit They Screwed up by NOT taking the Proper Precautions .

Sorry I Didn,t Mean to write a novel . Just Please take My Advice & Be safe. No Matter what any Joe Blow says . Bob

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I assume the MF paint is as good of better than what came on the tractor to begin with? Can thhis be orderedd off line or must I visit the dealer. Its a 40 mile drive one way . Normally I get them to ship me my parts.

What you can buy now is probably as good as what came on the tractor originally, short of the fact that the original was probably applied in conditions more favorable to a good paint job than the average Joe can deliver. The paint that comes on NEW tractors today is probably of a somewhat higher quality that the canned paint they sell over the counter though.

The paint MF sells is a "better" quality of alkyd enamel (old technology) . I'd suspect most new tractors are painted with an acrylic enamel or a uerethane (sp?) base paint.

Not sure on the "ship-ability" of paint. I'd give my dealer a call on that one if I was you.

 

[Scooby074]

I assume the MF paint is as good of better than what came on the tractor to begin with? Can thhis be orderedd off line or must I visit the dealer. Its a 40 mile drive one way . Normally I get them to ship me my parts.

The MF paint is good. Made by Valspar. Most dealers have a good stock of the popular colours in store.

 

[ray66v]

The paint MF sells is a "better" quality of alkyd enamel (old technology) . I'd suspect most new tractors are painted with an acrylic enamel or a uerethane (sp?) base paint.

Agreed, MF paint is alkyd industrial enamel, same product as Valspar and Rustoleum. These products are fine for the applications they are suggested for, i.e. good, cheap protection.

The products used by the factories for high quality finishes, are usually entirely different than what the public uses. They generally need a paint they can spray, and then bake, (not just force dry), at a very high temperature. This causes a chemical reaction that sets the paint, and advances the curing process, so it dries very quickly. These are thermosetting products. They are completely different than what is used in repair shops.

 

[Kenfyoozed]

Thanks for the tips. I really appreciate the help and warnings. I want to be safe. Its amazing how something that seems as simple as painting a tractor could be dangerous. I'll call the closet dealer and talk to them. Also, as you can tell I have limited experience with painting, what type of "breathing system " should I look into. I guess I will be using the alkyd enamels. The acrylic enamels require a fresh air system correct? Im sure thats out of my range.